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From: Andreas Dilger <adilger@turbolabs.com>
To: Nicholas Knight <tegeran@home.com>
Cc: Adrian Cox <adrian@humboldt.co.uk>,
	root@chaos.analogic.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Encrypted Swap
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 14:00:49 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010817140049.G17372@turbolinux.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.95.1010817130849.2216A-100000@chaos.analogic.com> <3B7D5603.8080805@humboldt.co.uk> <01081711510800.00814@c779218-a>
In-Reply-To: <01081711510800.00814@c779218-a>

On Aug 17, 2001  11:51 -0700, Nicholas Knight wrote:
> Now that we've established that SDRAM doesn't neccisarily get erased from 
> rebooting, does anyone know how long it takes for SDRAM to clear after 
> losing power? It seems to me that the fact that the RAM isn't neccisarily 
> wiped by the BIOS at boot is less important than wether or not shutting 
> down the system and having it shut down for 10 minutes causes the RAM to 
> be cleared so that any intruder/thief would be unable to get the 
> information neccisary to decrypt the swap...

Hmm, it was my understanding that all PC BIOSes DO zero out memory,
although this is not necessarily a requirement of the hardware.  The
reason I say this is because one of the features of the Linux BIOS
project is to allow crashdump analysis after a reboot, by pulling
the dump from the RAM after a reboot.  You apparently are not able
to do this with normal PC BIOSes because they clear the RAM after
a reset.

That said, I'm not sure what the requirements of different kinds of
RAM chips are for initialization, so there may not be a REQUIREMENT
to clear the memory, but rather it is part of the nebulous "PC spec".

Cheers, Andreas
-- 
Andreas Dilger  \ "If a man ate a pound of pasta and a pound of antipasto,
                 \  would they cancel out, leaving him still hungry?"
http://www-mddsp.enel.ucalgary.ca/People/adilger/               -- Dogbert


  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-08-17 20:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-08-07  2:28 Encrypted Swap David Spreen
2001-08-07  3:56 ` Justin Guyett
2001-08-07  4:01   ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-07  4:12   ` Steve VanDevender
2001-08-07  4:23     ` John Polyakov
2001-08-07  4:36       ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-07  5:12       ` Garett Spencley
2001-08-07  5:55         ` Ryan Mack
2001-08-07  6:27           ` John Polyakov
2001-08-06 23:28             ` Rob Landley
2001-08-07 10:10               ` Christopher E. Brown
2001-08-07 14:05                 ` Joel Jaeggli
2001-08-07  6:41             ` Crutcher Dunnavant
2001-08-07  6:57               ` Evgeny Polyakov
2001-08-07  6:45             ` Ryan Mack
2001-08-07  7:08               ` Evgeny Polyakov
2001-08-07  7:23                 ` Sean Hunter
2001-08-07  8:39                   ` Ben Ford
2001-08-07 12:28                   ` Kevin Krieser
2001-08-07 12:39                     ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-07 13:39                     ` Re[2]: " s0mbre
2001-08-08  2:24                       ` Re[2]: Encrypted Swap (random off-topic snippet) Dr. Kelsey Hudson
2001-08-08  2:51                         ` Michael H. Warfield
2001-08-07 14:21                     ` Encrypted Swap Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams
2001-08-07  7:26                 ` Ryan Mack
2001-08-07  7:34                 ` Jeffrey Considine
2001-08-07  7:49                 ` Crutcher Dunnavant
2001-08-07  9:01                 ` Peter Wächtler
2001-08-07 12:37           ` Michael Bacarella
2001-08-17 14:50           ` Holger Lubitz
2001-08-17 15:39             ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-17 15:57               ` Holger Lubitz
2001-08-17 16:34                 ` Gerhard Mack
2001-08-17 16:50                 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-17 17:06               ` Adrian Cox
2001-08-17 17:16                 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-17 17:22                   ` Jacob Alifrangis
2001-08-17 17:36                   ` Adrian Cox
2001-08-17 18:51                     ` Nicholas Knight
2001-08-17 19:30                       ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-18  8:51                         ` Adrian Cox
2001-08-18 11:02                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-08-19  8:51                             ` Adrian Cox
2001-08-20  1:27                           ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-20 11:08                             ` Helge Hafting
2001-08-20 11:50                             ` Ian Stirling
2001-08-21 13:55                         ` Andreas Bombe
2001-08-17 20:00                       ` Andreas Dilger [this message]
2001-08-07 20:09         ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2001-08-07  7:34       ` Steve VanDevender
2001-08-07  7:55         ` Crutcher Dunnavant
2001-08-07 15:17         ` Garett Spencley
2001-08-07  7:49     ` Helge Hafting
2001-08-07  7:58       ` Crutcher Dunnavant
2001-08-07  9:23         ` Helge Hafting
2001-08-07 13:29           ` Wichert Akkerman
2001-08-07 15:56           ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-07 16:54             ` Alan Cox
2001-08-07 17:10               ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-07  9:52     ` Brian May
2001-08-07 14:48       ` Joel Jaeggli
2001-08-07 15:59         ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-07 16:18           ` Joel Jaeggli
2001-08-07 16:24             ` Florian Weimer
2001-08-07 17:14         ` [OT] Cold, Dead Hard drives (was: Encrypted Swap) Stephen Satchell
2001-08-08  2:13       ` Encrypted Swap Dr. Kelsey Hudson
2001-08-07 20:30   ` Ian Stirling
2001-08-07 10:33 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-08-13  3:32   ` swap & deadlocks [was Re: Encrypted Swap] Pavel Machek
     [not found] <no.id>
2001-08-07 14:17 ` Encrypted Swap Alan Cox
2001-08-07 15:16   ` Crutcher Dunnavant
2001-08-07 16:01     ` Chris Wedgwood
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-08-07 14:37 encrypted swap David Maynor
2001-08-07 14:48 ` Billy Harvey
2001-08-07 16:03 ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-07 15:06 David Maynor
2001-08-07 15:11 ` Florian Weimer
2001-08-07 15:43   ` Joel Jaeggli
2001-08-07 15:30 ` Garett Spencley
2001-08-07 16:21 ` David Spreen
2001-08-08  8:11 ` Helge Hafting
2001-08-07 15:28 David Maynor
2001-08-07 15:51 ` Florian Weimer
2001-08-07 17:30 Encrypted Swap David Maynor
2001-08-07 17:27 ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-07 18:53 encrypted swap Torrey Hoffman
2001-08-07 19:15 ` Thomas Pornin
2001-08-07 19:23 ` Dan Podeanu
2001-08-07 19:48   ` Andreas Dilger
2001-08-07 20:04   ` Marty Poulin
2001-08-07 21:06   ` David Wagner
2001-08-07 21:56     ` D. Stimits
2001-08-07 21:44   ` Pavel Machek
2001-08-07 19:48 ` Justin Guyett
2001-08-07 20:05   ` Alan Cox
2001-08-07 20:17   ` Bill Rugolsky Jr.
2001-08-07 21:40 David Spreen
2001-08-17 17:10 Encrypted Swap David Christensen
2001-08-17 17:21 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-17 18:41   ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-08-17 19:05     ` Dan Hollis
2001-08-18  9:52       ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-08-18 10:24         ` Nicholas Knight
2001-08-18 12:32           ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-08-17 19:20     ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-18 10:34       ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found] <fa.kmbqblv.v3uvig@ifi.uio.no>
2001-08-18 14:53 ` Ted Unangst
2001-08-18 15:17   ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2001-08-20 11:03   ` Helge Hafting

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