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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@ns.caldera.de>
To: adilger@turbolabs.com (Andreas Dilger)
Cc: torvalds@transmeta.com, andrea@suse.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: linux-2.4.10-pre5
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 11:05:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200109090905.f8995dM27818@ns.caldera.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010908222923.H32553@turbolinux.com>

In article <20010908222923.H32553@turbolinux.com> you wrote:
> On Sep 08, 2001  20:58 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>> On Sun, 9 Sep 2001, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
>> > I wish the cache coherency logic would be simpler but just doing
>> > something unconditionally it's going to break things in one way or
>> > another as far I can tell.
>> 
>> I'd rather fix that, then.
>> 
>> Otherwise we'll just end up carrying broken baggage around forever. Which
>> is not the way to do things.
>> 
>> Anyway, at this point this definitely sounds like a 2.5.x patch. Which I
>> always pretty much assumed it would be anyway.

> So basically - when we move block devices to the page cache, get rid of
> buffer cache usage in the filesystems as well?  Ext2 is nearly there at
> least.

IBM's Linux port of JFS2 does already not use the buffercache at all.
It has an special struct address_space (and inode due to the braindamaged
assumption that ->host must be an inode, introduced in 2.4.0-test) that
covers the whole filesystems.


> One alternative is as Daniel Phillips did in the indexed-ext2-
> directory patch, where he kept the "bread" interface, but backed it
> with the page cache, so it required relatively little change to the
> filesystem.

I'd rather prefer to use a different structure for this kind of accesses,
so that we can get rid of struct buffer_head altogether (especially
with Jens' bio rewrite that nukes it out of the lowlevel drivers.)

An example for such an interface is the fbuf use for directorioes in
SVR4/SVR5.  Header file that should explain it attached.

	Christoph

-- 
Of course it doesn't work. We've performed a software upgrade.


/*
 * Copyright (c) 2001 Caldera International, Inc.. All Rights Reserved.  
 *                                                                       
 *        THIS IS UNPUBLISHED PROPRIETARY SOURCE CODE OF                 
 *                  CALDERA INTERNATIONAL, INC.                          
 *                                                                       
 *   The copyright notice above does not evidence any actual or intended 
 *   publication of such source code.                                    
 */

#ifndef _FS_FBUF_H	/* wrapper symbol for kernel use */
#define _FS_FBUF_H	/* subject to change without notice */

#ident	"@(#)unixsrc:usr/src/common/uts/fs/fbuf.h /main/uw7_nj/1"
#ident	"$Header: $"

#if defined(__cplusplus)
extern "C" {
#endif

#ifdef _KERNEL_HEADERS

#include <mem/seg.h> /* REQUIRED */
#include <util/types.h>	/* REQUIRED */

#elif defined(_KERNEL) || defined(_KMEMUSER)

#include <vm/seg.h> /* REQUIRED */
#include <sys/types.h>	/* REQUIRED */

#endif /* _KERNEL_HEADERS */

#if defined(_KERNEL) || defined(_KMEMUSER)

/*
 * A struct fbuf is used to get a mapping to part of a file using the
 * segkmap facilities.  After you get a mapping, you can fbrelse() it
 * (giving a seg code to pass back to segmap_release), you can fbwrite()
 * it (causes a synchronous write back using the file mapping information),
 * or you can fbiwrite it (causing indirect synchronous write back to
 * the block number given without using the file mapping information).
 */

typedef struct fbuf {
	char	*fb_addr;
	size_t	 fb_count;
} fbuf_t;

#endif /* _KERNEL || _KMEMUSER */

#ifdef _KERNEL

struct vnode;

#ifdef _FSKI
extern int fbread(struct vnode *vp, off_t off, size_t len, enum seg_rw rw,
		  fbuf_t **fbpp);
#else
extern int fbread(struct vnode *vp, off64_t off, size_t len, enum seg_rw rw,
		  fbuf_t **fbpp);
#endif

extern int fbrelse(fbuf_t *fbp, uint_t sm_flags);

#endif /* _KERNEL */

#if defined(__cplusplus)
	}
#endif

#endif /* _FS_FBUF_H */

  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-09-09  9:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-09-08  4:18 linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-08  6:32 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5: drivers/net/wan compile fixes Eyal Lebedinsky
2001-09-08  6:36 ` 2.4.9-ac10 (not 2.4.10-pre5!) wan fixes Eyal Lebedinsky
2001-09-08  8:32 ` 2.4.10-pre5 compile error George Bonser
2001-09-08 17:19 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-08 17:30   ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-08 17:57     ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-08 18:01       ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-09  1:09         ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-09  1:20           ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-09  1:38             ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-09  1:53               ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-09  2:22                 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-09  2:31                   ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-09  3:30                     ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-09  3:58                       ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-09  4:16                         ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-09  4:28                           ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-09 12:09                             ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Rik van Riel
2001-09-09 14:53                               ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-09 18:17                               ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-09 20:18                                 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 H. Peter Anvin
2001-09-10  0:39                                   ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Simon Kirby
2001-09-10  8:30                                     ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Kai Henningsen
2001-09-11  5:29                                       ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Peter Samuelson
2001-09-11 11:29                                         ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Kai Henningsen
2001-09-10 21:22                                   ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-09-09 14:47                             ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-09 16:24                               ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-09 17:29                                 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-09 23:56                             ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-09  4:29                         ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andreas Dilger
2001-09-09  4:54                           ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-09  6:17                             ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andreas Dilger
2001-09-09 17:31                               ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-09 19:19                                 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-09 23:24                                   ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-09 23:54                                     ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Alan Cox
2001-09-10  0:04                                       ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-10  0:23                                       ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-10  0:23                                     ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-10  0:38                                       ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-10  1:04                                         ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-10  1:45                                           ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Chris Mason
2001-09-10  1:55                                             ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-10  2:02                                               ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Chris Mason
2001-09-10  2:06                                                 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-10  2:15                                               ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-10  2:22                                                 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-10  2:20                                                   ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Chris Mason
2001-09-10  2:40                                                     ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-10  3:02                                                       ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Chris Mason
2001-09-10  3:36                                                         ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-10 19:06                                                           ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Chris Mason
2001-09-10  2:03                                             ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-10  2:41                                               ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Chris Mason
2001-09-10 21:18                                     ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-10 21:23                                       ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-09-10 21:54                                         ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-10 22:39                                           ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-09-10 23:13                                             ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-10 23:25                                               ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-09-10 22:15                                       ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-10 22:26                                         ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-10 22:39                                         ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Rik van Riel
2001-09-10 23:14                                           ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-10 23:16                                             ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-11  0:53                                               ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Rik van Riel
2001-09-11  6:39                                                 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Hua Zhong
2001-09-11 15:12                                                 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-11 15:44                                                   ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-11 15:48                                                     ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-11 16:05                                                       ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-09-11 16:07                                                       ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-11 16:07                                                         ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-09-11 16:13                                                           ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Martin Dalecki
2001-09-11 17:17                                                       ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-11 10:02                                           ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-11 20:07                                             ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Rik van Riel
2001-09-10 23:20                                         ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-11  0:20                                           ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-11  1:16                                             ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-11  2:27                                               ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-11  7:45                                                 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Helge Hafting
2001-09-11 10:27                                                 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-11 15:39                                                   ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-11 16:52                                                     ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-09 19:51                               ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-09  9:05                           ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2001-09-09 13:14                           ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Anton Altaparmakov
2001-09-09 14:31                             ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-08 21:15     ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andreas Dilger
2001-09-09  0:59       ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-08 22:01 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Thiago Vinhas de Moraes

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