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From: Stephan von Krawczynski <skraw@ithnet.com>
To: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: broken VM in 2.4.10-pre9
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 12:21:15 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010921122115.271d1a1e.skraw@ithnet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010920231251.26679B-100000@gatekeeper.tmr.com>
In-Reply-To: <20010916204528.6fd48f5b.skraw@ithnet.com> <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010920231251.26679B-100000@gatekeeper.tmr.com>

On Thu, 20 Sep 2001 23:16:55 -0400 (EDT) Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
wrote:

> On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, Stephan von Krawczynski wrote:
> 
> 
> > Thinking again about it, I guess I would prefer a FIFO-list of allocated
pages.
> > This would allow to "know" the age simply by its position in the list. You
> > wouldn't need a timestamp then, and even better it works equally well for
> > systems with high vm load and low, because you do not deal with absolute
time
> > comparisons, but relative.
> > That sounds pretty good for me. 
> 
> The problem is that when many things effect the optimal ratio of text,
> data, buffer and free space a solution which doesn't measure all the
> important factors will produce sub-optimal results. Your proposal is
> simple and elegant, but I think it's too simple to produce good results.
> See my reply to Linus' comments.

Actually I did not really propose a method of valueing the several pros and
cons in aging itself, but a very basic idea of how this could be done without
fiddling around with page->members (like page->age) which always implies you
have to walk down a whole list to get the full picture in case of urgent need
for freeable pages.
If you age something by re-arranging its position in a list you have the
drawback of list-locking, but the gain of fast finding the best freeable pages
by simply using the first ones in that list. Even better you can add whatever
criteria you like to this aging, e.g. you could rearrange to let consecutive
pages be freed together and so on, all would be pretty easy to achieve, and
page-struct becomes even smaller.
The more I think about it the better it sounds.
Your opinion?

Regards,
Stephan


  reply	other threads:[~2001-09-21 10:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 133+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-09-16 15:19 broken VM in 2.4.10-pre9 Ricardo Galli
2001-09-16 15:23 ` Michael Rothwell
2001-09-16 16:33   ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-16 16:50     ` Andreas Steinmetz
2001-09-16 17:12       ` Ricardo Galli
2001-09-16 17:06     ` Ricardo Galli
2001-09-16 17:18       ` Jeremy Zawodny
2001-09-16 18:16       ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-09-16 18:45         ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-09-21  3:16           ` Bill Davidsen
2001-09-21 10:21             ` Stephan von Krawczynski [this message]
2001-09-21 14:08               ` Bill Davidsen
2001-09-21 14:23                 ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-23 13:13                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-23 13:27                     ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-21 10:43             ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-09-21 12:13               ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-21 12:55                 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-09-21 13:01                   ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-22 11:01               ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-22 20:05                 ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-24  9:36                 ` Linux VM design VDA
2001-09-24 11:06                   ` Dave Jones
2001-09-24 12:15                     ` Kirill Ratkin
2001-09-24 13:29                   ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-24 14:05                     ` VDA
2001-09-24 14:37                       ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-24 14:42                       ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-24 18:37                   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-24 18:46                     ` Jonathan Morton
2001-09-24 19:16                       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-24 19:32                     ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-24 17:27                       ` Rob Landley
2001-09-24 21:48                         ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-25  9:58                       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-25 16:03                     ` bill davidsen
2001-09-24 19:11                   ` Dan Mann
2001-09-25 10:55                     ` VDA
2001-09-16 19:43     ` broken VM in 2.4.10-pre9 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-16 19:57       ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-16 20:17       ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-16 20:29       ` Andreas Steinmetz
2001-09-16 21:28         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-16 22:47           ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-09-16 22:55             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-16 22:59           ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-09-16 22:14             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-16 23:29               ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-09-17 15:35               ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-09-17 15:51                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-17 16:34                   ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-09-17 16:46                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-17 17:20                       ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-09-17 17:37                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-17  0:37       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-17  1:07         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-17  2:23           ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-17  5:11           ` Jan Harkes
2001-09-17 12:33             ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-17 12:41               ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-17 14:49                 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-17 16:14               ` Jan Harkes
2001-09-17 16:34                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-17 15:38             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-17 12:26           ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-17 15:42             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-18 12:04               ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-17 17:33             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-17 18:07               ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-18 12:09               ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-21  3:10       ` Bill Davidsen
2001-09-17  8:06     ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-17 12:12       ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-17 15:45         ` Eric W. Biederman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-09-22 19:59 Peter Magnusson
2001-09-22 20:46 ` Jan Harkes
2001-09-22 21:46   ` Peter Magnusson
2001-09-22 19:59 Peter Magnusson
2001-09-22 20:18 ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-19 22:15 Rob Fuller
2001-09-19 22:21 ` David S. Miller
2001-09-19 22:26 ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-09-20  3:16   ` GOTO Masanori
2001-09-20  7:38     ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-09-19 22:30 ` Alan Cox
2001-09-19 22:48 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-19 22:51 ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2001-09-17 15:40 Rob Fuller
2001-09-17 16:03 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-19  9:45   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-19 19:45     ` Alan Cox
2001-09-19 21:03       ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-19 22:04         ` Alan Cox
2001-09-19 22:26           ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-19 23:05           ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-20 11:28           ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-20 12:06             ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-21  8:13               ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-21 12:10                 ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-21 15:27                 ` Jan Harkes
2001-09-22  7:09                   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-25 11:04                     ` Mike Fedyk
2001-09-20 12:57             ` Alan Cox
2001-09-20 13:40               ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-24 22:50           ` Pavel Machek
2001-09-26 18:22             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-09-26 23:44               ` Pavel Machek
2001-09-27 13:52                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-01 11:37                 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-09-19 23:00         ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-21  8:23           ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-21 12:01             ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-22  2:14             ` Alexander Viro
2001-09-22  3:09               ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-21 14:29           ` Gábor Lénárt
2001-09-21 14:35             ` Horst von Brand
2001-09-19 21:37       ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-19 21:55         ` David S. Miller
2001-09-20 13:02           ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-16 19:07 vm rewrite ready [Re: broken VM in 2.4.10-pre9] Rik van Riel
2001-09-16 15:19 ` broken VM in 2.4.10-pre9 Phillip Susi
2001-09-16 19:33   ` Jeremy Zawodny
2001-09-16 19:52   ` Rik van Riel
     [not found] <fa.i95if5v.74un2p@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.gu977tv.1b7u0g9@ifi.uio.no>
2001-09-16 18:06   ` Dan Maas
2001-09-15 22:43 Peter Magnusson
2001-09-15 23:50 ` Jan Harkes
2001-09-16  5:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-16  8:45   ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-17 10:25   ` Tonu Samuel
2001-09-16 16:47     ` Jeremy Zawodny
2001-09-16 18:36       ` Alan Cox
2001-09-16 19:38         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-16 19:37     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-17 14:04       ` Olaf Zaplinski

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