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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
To: Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo@conectiva.com.br>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Daniel Phillips <phillips@bonn-fries.net>,
	Rob Fuller <rfuller@nsisoftware.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: broken VM in 2.4.10-pre9
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 01:44:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010927014431.C2164@bug.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010925005033.A137@bug.ucw.cz> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0109261518520.957-100000@freak.distro.conectiva>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0109261518520.957-100000@freak.distro.conectiva>; from Marcelo Tosatti on Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 03:22:01PM -0300

Hi!

> > > > So my suggestion was to look at getting anonymous pages backed by what
> > > > amounts to a shared memory segment.  In that vein.  By using an extent
> > > > based data structure we can get the cost down under the current 8 bits
> > > > per page that we have for the swap counts, and make allocating swap
> > > > pages faster.  And we want to cluster related swap pages anyway so
> > > > an extent based system is a natural fit.
> > >
> > > Much of this goes away if you get rid of both the swap and anonymous page
> > > special cases. Back anonymous pages with the "whoops everything I write here
> > > vanishes mysteriously" file system and swap with a swapfs
> > 
> > What exactly is anonymous memory? I thought it is what you do when you
> > want to malloc(), but you want to back that up by swap, not /dev/null.
> 
> Anonymous memory is memory which is not backed by a filesystem or a
> device. eg: malloc()ed memory, shmem, mmap(MAP_PRIVATE) on a file (which
> will create anonymous memory as soon as the program which did the mmap
> writes to the mapped memory (COW)), etc.

So... how can alan propose to back anonymous memory with /dev/null?
[see above] It should be backed by swap, no?
								Pavel
-- 
I'm pavel@ucw.cz. "In my country we have almost anarchy and I don't care."
Panos Katsaloulis describing me w.r.t. patents at discuss@linmodems.org

  reply	other threads:[~2001-09-28 20:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-09-17 15:40 broken VM in 2.4.10-pre9 Rob Fuller
2001-09-17 16:03 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-19  9:45   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-19 19:45     ` Alan Cox
2001-09-19 21:03       ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-19 22:04         ` Alan Cox
2001-09-19 22:26           ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-19 23:05           ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-20 11:28           ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-20 12:06             ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-21  8:13               ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-21 12:10                 ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-21 15:27                 ` Jan Harkes
2001-09-22  7:09                   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-25 11:04                     ` Mike Fedyk
2001-09-20 12:57             ` Alan Cox
2001-09-20 13:40               ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-24 22:50           ` Pavel Machek
2001-09-26 18:22             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-09-26 23:44               ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2001-09-27 13:52                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-01 11:37                 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-09-19 23:00         ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-21  8:23           ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-21 12:01             ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-22  2:14             ` Alexander Viro
2001-09-22  3:09               ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-21 14:29           ` Gábor Lénárt
2001-09-21 14:35             ` Horst von Brand
2001-09-19 21:37       ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-19 21:55         ` David S. Miller
2001-09-20 13:02           ` Rik van Riel
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-09-22 19:59 Peter Magnusson
2001-09-22 20:46 ` Jan Harkes
2001-09-22 21:46   ` Peter Magnusson
2001-09-22 19:59 Peter Magnusson
2001-09-22 20:18 ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-19 22:15 Rob Fuller
2001-09-19 22:21 ` David S. Miller
2001-09-19 22:26 ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-09-20  3:16   ` GOTO Masanori
2001-09-20  7:38     ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-09-19 22:30 ` Alan Cox
2001-09-19 22:48 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-19 22:51 ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2001-09-16 19:07 vm rewrite ready [Re: broken VM in 2.4.10-pre9] Rik van Riel
2001-09-16 15:19 ` broken VM in 2.4.10-pre9 Phillip Susi
2001-09-16 19:33   ` Jeremy Zawodny
2001-09-16 19:52   ` Rik van Riel
     [not found] <fa.i95if5v.74un2p@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.gu977tv.1b7u0g9@ifi.uio.no>
2001-09-16 18:06   ` Dan Maas
2001-09-16 15:19 Ricardo Galli
2001-09-16 15:23 ` Michael Rothwell
2001-09-16 16:33   ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-16 16:50     ` Andreas Steinmetz
2001-09-16 17:12       ` Ricardo Galli
2001-09-16 17:06     ` Ricardo Galli
2001-09-16 17:18       ` Jeremy Zawodny
2001-09-16 18:16       ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-09-16 18:45         ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-09-21  3:16           ` Bill Davidsen
2001-09-21 10:21             ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-09-21 14:08               ` Bill Davidsen
2001-09-21 14:23                 ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-23 13:13                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-23 13:27                     ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-21 10:43             ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-09-21 12:13               ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-21 12:55                 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-09-21 13:01                   ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-22 11:01               ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-22 20:05                 ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-16 19:43     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-16 19:57       ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-16 20:17       ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-16 20:29       ` Andreas Steinmetz
2001-09-16 21:28         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-16 22:47           ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-09-16 22:55             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-16 22:59           ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-09-16 22:14             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-16 23:29               ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-09-17 15:35               ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-09-17 15:51                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-17 16:34                   ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-09-17 16:46                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-17 17:20                       ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-09-17 17:37                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-17  0:37       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-17  1:07         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-17  2:23           ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-17  5:11           ` Jan Harkes
2001-09-17 12:33             ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-17 12:41               ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-17 14:49                 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-17 16:14               ` Jan Harkes
2001-09-17 16:34                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-17 15:38             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-17 12:26           ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-17 15:42             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-18 12:04               ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-17 17:33             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-17 18:07               ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-18 12:09               ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-21  3:10       ` Bill Davidsen
2001-09-17  8:06     ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-17 12:12       ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-17 15:45         ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-15 22:43 Peter Magnusson
2001-09-15 23:50 ` Jan Harkes
2001-09-16  5:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-16  8:45   ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-17 10:25   ` Tonu Samuel
2001-09-16 16:47     ` Jeremy Zawodny
2001-09-16 18:36       ` Alan Cox
2001-09-16 19:38         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-16 19:37     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-17 14:04       ` Olaf Zaplinski

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