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From: Benjamin LaHaise <bcrl@redhat.com>
To: kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru
Cc: mingo@elte.hu, torvalds@transmeta.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk,
	andrea@suse.de
Subject: Re: [patch] softirq performance fixes, cleanups, 2.4.10.
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 14:51:48 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010928145148.A14758@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109281904200.8840-100000@localhost.localdomain> <200109281756.VAA04730@ms2.inr.ac.ru>
In-Reply-To: <200109281756.VAA04730@ms2.inr.ac.ru>; from kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru on Fri, Sep 28, 2001 at 09:56:24PM +0400

On Fri, Sep 28, 2001 at 09:56:24PM +0400, kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru wrote:
> > (Lets assume that a loop of 10 still ensures basic safety in situations
> > where external load overloads the system.
> 
> It does not, evidently. And 1 does not. But 10 is 10 times worse.

10 is not 10 times worse.  The effect is much more subtle than that 
when you factor in the amount of work done as well as the cache state.

> Ingo, I told net_rx_action() is small do_softirq() restarting not 10,
> but not less than 300 times in row.

The problem comes from net_rx_action doing less than the allowable amount 
of work if another rx interrupt comes in while softirqs were being 
run -- if the rx action is not repeated, the new packets are not 
acknowledged until 10's of ms later, which is a *lot* of data in the 
future.  Running the logic via ksoftirqd alone results in a significant 
cache hit for just the context switch (our stack and task structs all 
map to the *SAME* L1 cache lines in many processors), which softirqs 
do not.  Blanket disallowing repeats generates more overhead than it 
reduces overload: it makes things worse by increasing the amount of 
work that needs to be done during overload.

		-ben

  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-09-28 18:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-09-26 16:44 [patch] softirq performance fixes, cleanups, 2.4.10 Ingo Molnar
2001-09-26 17:48 ` Mike Kravetz
2001-09-26 18:48   ` Ingo Molnar
2001-09-26 18:55 ` Russell King
2001-09-26 19:14   ` Ingo Molnar
2001-09-27 23:31 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-28  3:20   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-28  7:34     ` Ingo Molnar
2001-09-28 15:17       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-28  7:18   ` [patch] softirq-2.4.10-B2 Ingo Molnar
2001-09-28 15:58     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-28 18:36     ` Simon Kirby
2001-09-28 18:47       ` Ingo Molnar
2001-09-28 19:31         ` kuznet
2001-09-28 16:18 ` [patch] softirq performance fixes, cleanups, 2.4.10 kuznet
2001-09-28 16:31   ` Ingo Molnar
2001-09-28 17:04     ` kuznet
2001-09-28 17:21       ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-28 17:31         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-28 17:41         ` kuznet
2001-09-28 17:46           ` Ingo Molnar
2001-09-28 18:39         ` Josh MacDonald
2001-09-28 17:31       ` Ingo Molnar
2001-09-28 17:56         ` kuznet
2001-09-28 18:28           ` Ingo Molnar
2001-09-28 19:23             ` kuznet
2001-09-28 19:48               ` Ingo Molnar
2001-09-29 16:35                 ` kuznet
2001-09-30  9:37                   ` Kai Henningsen
2001-09-30  9:01               ` Ingo Molnar
2001-09-28 19:39             ` kuznet
2001-09-28 20:03               ` Ingo Molnar
2001-09-28 18:51           ` Benjamin LaHaise [this message]
2001-09-28 16:32   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-28 16:46     ` Ingo Molnar
2001-09-28 16:58       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-28 16:35   ` [patch] softirq-2.4.10-B3 Ingo Molnar
2001-09-29  0:40     ` J . A . Magallon
2001-09-29 11:03   ` [patch] softirq performance fixes, cleanups, 2.4.10 Rusty Russell
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-09-27 23:29 Oleg Nesterov
2001-09-28  0:03 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-28  6:57 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-09-28  2:50 Oleg Nesterov
2001-09-28  7:56 ` Ingo Molnar

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