From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: jamal <hadi@cyberus.ca>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Alexey Kuznetsov <kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru>,
Robert Olsson <Robert.Olsson@data.slu.se>,
Benjamin LaHaise <bcrl@redhat.com>,
netdev@oss.sgi.com, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [announce] [patch] limiting IRQ load, irq-rewrite-2.4.11-B5
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 02:31:18 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20011008023118.L726@athlon.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.30.0110031138150.4833-100000@shell.cyberus.ca> <Pine.LNX.4.33.0110031828060.8633-100000@localhost.localdomain>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0110031828060.8633-100000@localhost.localdomain>; from mingo@elte.hu on Wed, Oct 03, 2001 at 06:51:55PM +0200
[ I hope not to reiterate the obvious, I didn't read every single email
of this thread ]
> > > In a generic computing environment i want to spend cycles doing useful
> > > work, not polling. Even the quick kpolld hack [which i dropped, so please
> > > dont regard it as a 'competitor' patch] i consider superior to this, as i
> > > can renice kpolld to reduce polling. (plus kpolld sucks up available idle
> > > cycles as well.) Unless i royally misunderstand it, i cannot stop the
> > > above code from wasting my cycles, and if that is true i do not want to
> > > see it in the kernel proper in this form.
>
> On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, jamal wrote:
> > The interupt just flags "i, netdev, have work to do"; [...]
On Wed, Oct 03, 2001 at 06:51:55PM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> (and the only thing i pointed out was that the patch as-is did not limit
> the amount of polling done.)
You're perfectly right that it's not ok for a generic computing
environment to spend lots of cpu in polling, but it is clear that in a
dedicated router/firewall we can just shutdown the NIC interrupt forever via
disable_irq (no matter if the nic supports hw flow control or not, and
in turn no matter if the kid tries to spam the machine with small
packets) and dedicate 1 cpu to the polling-work with ksoftirqd polling
forever the NIC to deliver maximal routing performance or something like
that. ksoftirqd will ensure fairness with the userspace load as well.
You probably wouldn't get a benefit with tux because you would
potentially lose way too much cpu with true polling and you're traffic
is mostly going from the server to the clients not the othet way around
(plus the clients uses delayed acks etc..), but the world isn't just
tux.
Of course we agree that such a "polling router/firewall" behaviour must
not be the default but it must be enabled on demand by the admin via
sysctl or whatever else userspace API. And I don't see any problem with
that.
Andrea
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-10-08 0:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 151+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-10-02 0:41 [announce] [patch] limiting IRQ load, irq-rewrite-2.4.11-B5 jamal
2001-10-02 1:04 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-02 1:54 ` jamal
2001-10-02 5:13 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-02 5:55 ` Ben Greear
2001-10-02 17:03 ` Robert Olsson
2001-10-02 17:37 ` jamal
2001-10-02 19:46 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-10-03 9:22 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-03 14:06 ` David Brownell
2001-10-02 12:10 ` jamal
2001-10-02 22:00 ` jamal
2001-10-03 8:34 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-03 9:29 ` Helge Hafting
2001-10-03 12:49 ` jamal
2001-10-03 14:51 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-03 15:14 ` jamal
2001-10-03 17:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-04 0:53 ` jamal
2001-10-04 6:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-04 11:34 ` jamal
2001-10-04 17:40 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-10-04 18:33 ` jamal
2001-10-04 6:50 ` Ben Greear
2001-10-04 6:52 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-04 11:50 ` jamal
2001-10-04 6:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-10-04 6:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-04 21:28 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-10-04 21:49 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-04 23:20 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-10-04 23:26 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-04 23:47 ` Robert Love
2001-10-04 23:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-05 0:00 ` Ben Greear
2001-10-05 0:18 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-10-05 2:01 ` jamal
2001-10-04 22:01 ` Simon Kirby
2001-10-04 23:25 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-10-04 23:34 ` Simon Kirby
2001-10-04 22:10 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-04 23:28 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-10-05 15:22 ` Robert Olsson
2001-10-03 9:38 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-03 13:03 ` jamal
2001-10-03 13:25 ` jamal
2001-10-03 13:38 ` Robert Olsson
2001-10-04 21:22 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-10-05 14:32 ` Robert Olsson
2001-10-03 15:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-03 15:56 ` jamal
2001-10-03 16:51 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-03 21:08 ` Robert Olsson
2001-10-03 22:22 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-10-04 17:32 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-10-05 14:52 ` Robert Olsson
2001-10-05 18:48 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-10-05 19:07 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-10-05 19:17 ` kuznet
2001-10-07 6:11 ` Robert Olsson
2001-10-08 13:58 ` jamal
2001-10-08 17:42 ` Robert Olsson
2001-10-08 17:39 ` jamal
2001-10-04 0:46 ` jamal
2001-10-08 0:31 ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2001-10-08 4:58 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2001-10-08 15:00 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-08 15:03 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-10-08 15:12 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-08 15:09 ` jamal
2001-10-08 15:22 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-08 15:20 ` jamal
2001-10-08 15:35 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-08 15:57 ` jamal
2001-10-08 16:11 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-08 16:11 ` jamal
2001-10-10 16:26 ` Pavel Machek
2001-10-10 16:25 ` Pavel Machek
2001-10-08 15:24 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-10-08 15:35 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-08 15:19 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-10-08 15:10 ` bill davidsen
2001-10-03 16:53 ` kuznet
2001-10-03 17:06 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-04 0:44 ` jamal
2001-10-04 6:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-04 11:41 ` jamal
2001-10-04 13:05 ` Robert Olsson
2001-10-05 16:42 ` kuznet
2001-10-03 19:03 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-04 1:10 ` jamal
2001-10-04 1:30 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-03 22:31 ` Rob Landley
2001-10-04 1:39 ` jamal
2001-10-03 15:42 ` Ben Greear
2001-10-03 15:58 ` jamal
2001-10-03 16:09 ` Ben Greear
2001-10-03 16:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-03 16:20 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-10-03 16:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-03 17:25 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-03 18:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-03 20:41 ` Jeremy Hansen
2001-10-03 20:02 ` Simon Kirby
2001-10-04 1:04 ` jamal
2001-10-04 6:47 ` Ben Greear
2001-10-04 7:41 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-10-04 16:09 ` Ben Greear
2001-10-04 17:32 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-10-04 18:03 ` Ben Greear
2001-10-04 18:30 ` Christopher E. Brown
2001-10-04 11:47 ` jamal
2001-10-04 15:56 ` Ben Greear
2001-10-04 18:23 ` jamal
2001-10-04 6:50 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-04 11:49 ` jamal
2001-10-04 8:45 ` Simon Kirby
2001-10-04 11:54 ` jamal
2001-10-04 15:03 ` Tim Hockin
2001-10-04 18:55 ` Ion Badulescu
2001-10-04 19:00 ` jamal
2001-10-04 21:16 ` Ion Badulescu
2001-10-04 4:12 ` bill davidsen
2001-10-04 18:16 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-03 8:38 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-04 3:50 ` bill davidsen
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-10-08 14:45 jamal
2001-10-09 0:36 ` Scott Laird
2001-10-09 3:17 ` jamal
2001-10-09 4:04 ` Werner Almesberger
2001-10-04 8:25 Magnus Redin
2001-10-04 11:39 ` Trever L. Adams
[not found] <200110031811.f93IBoN10026@penguin.transmeta.com>
2001-10-03 18:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-04 9:19 ` BALBIR SINGH
2001-10-04 9:22 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-04 9:49 ` BALBIR SINGH
2001-10-04 10:25 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-07 20:37 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-10-03 14:15 Manfred Spraul
2001-10-03 15:09 ` jamal
2001-10-03 18:37 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-10-01 22:16 Ingo Molnar
2001-10-01 22:26 ` Tim Hockin
2001-10-01 22:50 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-01 22:36 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-10-01 22:50 ` Ben Greear
2001-10-02 14:30 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-02 20:51 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-10-01 23:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-02 6:50 ` Marcus Sundberg
2001-10-03 8:47 ` Ingo Molnar
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