From: Victor Yodaiken <yodaiken@fsmlabs.com>
To: Keith Owens <kaos@ocs.com.au>
Cc: Victor Yodaiken <yodaiken@fsmlabs.com>,
Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
torvalds@transmeta.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Lse-tech] Re: RFC: patch to allow lock-free traversal of lists with insertion
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:24:19 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20011010162419.A13116@hq2> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <16510.1002751003@ocs3.intra.ocs.com.au>
On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 07:56:43AM +1000, Keith Owens wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:54:36 -0600,
> Victor Yodaiken <yodaiken@fsmlabs.com> wrote:
> >Although I kind of like the idea of
> > normal operation create mess by avoiding synchronization
> > when system seems idle, get BKL, and clean up.
>
> That does not work. A process can read an entry from a list then
> perform an operation that puts the process to sleep. When it wakes up
> again, how can it tell if the list has been changed? How can the
In general you're right, and always its better to
reduce contention than to come up with silly algorithms for
reducing the cost of contention, but if you want to live
dangerously:
reader:
atomic increment read_count
do stuff; skip queue elements marked
as zombie
atomic decrement read_count
writer:
spin lock queue
to delete element
mark element as zombie
unspin
cleanup:
spin lock queue
if(read_count == 0){
get big kernel lock
if(read_count is still 0)
// now nobody will be able to get to queue
clean up queue
unlock kernel
}
unlock spin
So you accomplished making the code harder to read and maintain, slowing
down worst case, and maybe reducing average case read spinlock delay.
For some very carefully selected cases this may be a win, but ...
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-10-10 22:29 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-10-09 15:45 RFC: patch to allow lock-free traversal of lists with insertion Paul McKenney
2001-10-09 17:00 ` Richard Henderson
2001-10-10 3:33 ` Paul Mackerras
2001-10-10 17:02 ` Richard Henderson
2001-10-10 2:05 ` [Lse-tech] " Andrea Arcangeli
2001-10-10 5:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-10 5:17 ` BALBIR SINGH
2001-10-10 5:29 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-10-10 5:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-10 6:01 ` BALBIR SINGH
2001-10-10 15:23 ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-10-10 7:14 ` kdb requires kallsyms Kirill Ratkin
2001-10-10 7:38 ` BALBIR SINGH
2001-10-10 6:16 ` [Lse-tech] Re: RFC: patch to allow lock-free traversal of lists with insertion Paul Mackerras
2001-10-10 6:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-10 7:36 ` Paul Mackerras
2001-10-10 15:54 ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-10-10 21:56 ` Keith Owens
2001-10-10 22:24 ` Victor Yodaiken [this message]
2001-10-10 23:46 ` David S. Miller
2001-10-11 0:24 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-10-10 11:54 ` Keith Owens
2001-10-10 13:42 ` AIC7XXX war
2001-10-10 21:40 ` AIC7XXX Luigi Genoni
2001-10-10 13:24 ` [Lse-tech] Re: RFC: patch to allow lock-free traversal of lists with insertion Ivan Kokshaysky
2001-10-10 13:41 ` Andrea Arcangeli
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-10-10 4:43 Paul McKenney
2001-10-10 6:54 Dipankar Sarma
2001-10-10 7:06 Dipankar Sarma
2001-10-10 7:21 ` BALBIR SINGH
2001-10-10 9:06 ` Dipankar Sarma
2001-10-10 7:58 Dipankar Sarma
[not found] <20011010182730.0077454b.rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
2001-10-10 9:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-11 6:50 ` Rusty Russell
2001-10-10 10:06 Dipankar Sarma
2001-10-10 10:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-10 11:43 ` Dipankar Sarma
2001-10-12 3:27 ` Rusty Russell
2001-10-12 16:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-12 18:53 ` Dipankar Sarma
2001-10-13 7:25 ` Rusty Russell
2001-10-10 15:24 Paul McKenney
2001-10-10 16:58 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-10-10 17:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-12 5:06 ` Rusty Russell
2001-10-12 16:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-12 19:50 ` Al Dunsmuir
2001-10-13 1:07 ` Paul Mackerras
2001-10-13 1:54 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-10-13 2:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-13 2:31 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-10-13 2:46 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-10-13 3:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-13 2:49 ` Paul Mackerras
2001-10-13 2:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-13 7:38 ` Rusty Russell
2001-10-10 16:00 Paul McKenney
2001-10-10 21:44 Paul McKenney
2001-10-11 10:34 Dipankar Sarma
2001-10-13 14:42 Paul McKenney
2001-10-13 17:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-13 17:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-14 7:25 ` Dipankar Sarma
2001-10-13 18:42 ` Andi Kleen
2001-10-13 19:15 ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-13 20:44 ` Rusty Russell
2001-10-13 21:19 ` Rusty Russell
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