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From: Andreas Dilger <adilger@turbolabs.com>
To: James Sutherland <jas88@cam.ac.uk>,
	Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>,
	Neil Brown <neilb@cse.unsw.edu.au>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: RFC - tree quotas for Linux (2.4.12, ext2)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 15:17:18 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20011018151718.O1144@turbolinux.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3BCE6E6E.3DD3C2D6@candelatech.com> <Pine.SOL.4.33.0110180937420.13081-100000@yellow.csi.cam.ac.uk> <20011018132035.A444@mikef-linux.matchmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <20011018132035.A444@mikef-linux.matchmail.com>

On Oct 18, 2001  13:20 -0700, Mike Fedyk wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 09:38:47AM +0100, James Sutherland wrote:
> > No - "the ... usage of a file is charged to the tree, RATHER THAN THE
> > OWNER OF THE FILE". So, in this case, if you own a file in ~idiot/foo,
> > idiot's quota is charged for the file, not you.

However, this means that if anyone has write permission into a tree, they
can "offload" their quota to another user and keep more files than they
ought to.  Also, depending on the permissions of the file/directory, the
"tree" owner may not even be able to delete the files that are causing
their quota to be exceeded.

> Actually, it looks like Niel is creating a two level Quota system.  In ther
> normal quota system, if you own a file anywhere, it is attributed to you.
> But, in the tree quota system, it is attributed to the owner of the tree...

Hmm, we already have group quotas, and (excluding ACLs) you would need to
have group write permission into the tree to be able to write there.  How
does the tree quota help us in the end?  Either users are "nice" and you
don't need quotas, or users are "not nice" and you don't want them to be
able to dump their files into an area that doesn't keep them "in check" as
quotas are designed to do.

Cheers, Andreas
--
Andreas Dilger  \ "If a man ate a pound of pasta and a pound of antipasto,
                 \  would they cancel out, leaving him still hungry?"
http://www-mddsp.enel.ucalgary.ca/People/adilger/               -- Dogbert


  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-10-18 21:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-10-18  5:06 RFC - tree quotas for Linux (2.4.12, ext2) Neil Brown
2001-10-18  5:53 ` Ben Greear
2001-10-18  8:38   ` James Sutherland
2001-10-18 20:20     ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-18 20:47       ` Tim Walberg
2001-10-19  1:07         ` Neil Brown
2001-10-19  3:03           ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-19 11:50             ` Horst von Brand
2001-10-19 17:00               ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-18 21:17       ` Andreas Dilger [this message]
2001-10-18 22:56         ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-19  0:14           ` Horst von Brand
2001-10-19  0:51             ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-19  1:13         ` Neil Brown
2001-10-19  0:53       ` Neil Brown
2001-10-24 15:16 ` Jan Kara
2001-10-24 15:34   ` James Sutherland
2001-10-24 15:39     ` Jan Kara
2001-10-24 15:50       ` James Sutherland
2001-10-24 17:41         ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-24 18:08           ` James Sutherland
2001-10-26 11:25     ` Pavel Machek
2001-10-24 21:24   ` Neil Brown
2001-10-25 15:48     ` Jan Kara
2001-10-26  4:36       ` Neil Brown
2001-10-29 14:06         ` Jan Kara
2001-10-29 23:23           ` Neil Brown
2001-10-30 12:33             ` Jan Kara
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-10-19  3:00 Toivo Pedaste
2001-10-19  4:39 ` Neil Brown
2001-10-24 18:44 Jesse Pollard
2001-10-25  6:15 ` Albert D. Cahalan
     [not found] <fa.inl6g6v.1mmbp4@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.heevhav.sjs8an@ifi.uio.no>
2001-11-18 22:15   ` Swap Dan Maas
2001-11-18 22:43     ` Swap François Cami
2001-11-19  9:18       ` Swap James A Sutherland
2001-11-19 10:51         ` Swap Remco Post
2001-11-19 13:33           ` Swap James A Sutherland
2001-11-19 13:46             ` Swap Remco Post
2001-11-19 16:58               ` Swap Rik van Riel
     [not found]                 ` <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0111191458150.1491-100000@duckman.distro.conecti va>
2001-11-19 21:13                   ` Swap Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-19 21:17                     ` Swap Rik van Riel
     [not found]                       ` <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0111191917000.1491-100000@duckman.distro.conecti va>
2001-11-19 21:52                         ` Swap Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-19 16:36             ` Swap Jesse Pollard
2001-11-20 14:51             ` Swap J.A. Magallon
2001-11-20 16:01               ` Swap Wolfgang Rohdewald
2001-11-20 16:06                 ` Swap Remco Post
2001-11-20 16:12                 ` Swap Nick LeRoy
2001-11-20 16:20                 ` Swap Richard B. Johnson
2001-11-20 17:14                   ` Swap Christopher Friesen
2001-11-20 17:40                     ` Swap Richard B. Johnson
2001-11-20 18:14                       ` Swap Nick LeRoy
2001-11-21 10:17                         ` Swap Helge Hafting
2001-11-21 11:17                           ` Swap Alan Cox
2001-11-20 23:20                       ` Swap Luigi Genoni
2001-11-21 16:44                       ` Swap Remco Post
2001-11-20 17:58                     ` Swap Wolfgang Rohdewald
2001-11-26 21:51                       ` [Linux-abi-devel] Swap Christoph Hellwig
2001-11-20 21:05                     ` Swap Steffen Persvold
2001-11-20 21:18                       ` Swap Mike Fedyk
2001-11-20 21:33                         ` Swap Nick LeRoy
2001-11-20 21:44                           ` Swap Mike Fedyk
2001-11-20 22:00                             ` Swap Nick LeRoy
2001-11-21 16:53                             ` Swap Remco Post
2001-11-20 21:43                         ` Swap Richard B. Johnson
2001-11-20 21:50                           ` NFS, Paging & Installing [was: Re: Swap] Mike Fedyk
2001-11-21  1:22                             ` Horst von Brand
2001-11-21  1:46                               ` Mike Fedyk
2001-11-21 10:55                                 ` Trond Myklebust
2001-11-22  5:16                                   ` Bernd Eckenfels
2001-11-22 12:19                                     ` Trond Myklebust
2001-11-23 19:33                                   ` Mike Fedyk
2001-11-20 21:19                       ` Swap Nick LeRoy
2001-11-21 16:48                       ` Swap Remco Post
2001-11-20 20:58               ` Swap Mike Fedyk
2001-11-19 10:03       ` Swap Tim Connors
2001-11-19 10:16         ` Swap Dan Maas

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