From: "Jakob Østergaard" <jakob@unthought.net>
To: Tim Jansen <tim@tjansen.de>
Cc: lgb@lgb.hu, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: LPP (was: The new X-Kernel !)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 02:28:39 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20011022022839.A8452@unthought.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20011021220346.D19390@vega.digitel2002.hu> <000801c15a78$b79a4280$150a10ac@gearboxsoftware.com> <20011021235311.C21640@vega.digitel2002.hu> <15vQtM-22TOdsC@fmrl02.sul.t-online.com>
In-Reply-To: <15vQtM-22TOdsC@fmrl02.sul.t-online.com>; from tim@tjansen.de on Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 12:19:07AM +0200
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 12:19:07AM +0200, Tim Jansen wrote:
> On Sunday 21 October 2001 23:53, Gábor Lénárt wrote:
> > But for being serious ... For example you can build SECURITY into an OS.
> > You can install "firewalls" to Windows. And that sw component may ask
> > user that it detects something which MAY cause problems, and it asks
> > user if this task is allowed or not. And most of "stupid-users" don't
> > even read what message said! And if so, it's not helpful at all, since
> > the security on answering a question is to KNOW what does it covers.
>
> But part of this problem is that users get too much information that they
> don't understand, so they are getting used to ignore it. What you have to do
> to make the system easier to use is reduce the amount of information and make
> it easier to understand. The boot messages of the kernel are certainly much
> more than a regular user needs (and I am speaking those people who are
> currently using Windows or Macs, not Linux) and not very helpful for them.
>
How would hiding that information make the system "easier to use" ? They
can't interact with the boot process anyway - but they can call their sysadmin
and say "it said 'kernel panic'" and he can make them read up the last few
lines on the screen.
I've done that successfully with the mail-relay/proxy/router/fileserver at my
parent's house, with my mother at the keyboard ! She writes books about gardens
for a living. If all she could tell me was "well there's a penguin with a line
under it that doesn't move", I'd be pretty stuck.
Really, treating people like idiots will get you idiots. I don't believe there
are that many idiots around - but some computer litterates seem to have the
idea that computer illiterates are best treated as drooling morons. Those poor
people will never know, because they never get a chance. This is *not* doing
them a favour.
"User friendliness is often confused
with designing software for idiots"
- me ;)
Now don't think that I'm against nice user interfaces. Not at all. I'm just
against over-protecting people from the real world. Don't hide generally
useful information, that's all.
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:.........................: putrid forms of man :
: Jakob Østergaard : See him rise and claim the earth, :
: OZ9ABN : his downfall is at hand. :
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-10-22 0:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-10-20 21:30 The new X-Kernel ! MichaelM
2001-10-20 21:43 ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-21 0:08 ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-10-21 7:37 ` Gábor Lénárt
2001-10-21 8:33 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-10-21 8:50 ` Gábor Lénárt
2001-10-21 9:13 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-10-21 17:06 ` James Simmons
2001-10-21 10:26 ` Allan Sandfeld
2001-10-21 14:19 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-21 17:18 ` James Simmons
2001-10-21 17:26 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-21 17:40 ` James Simmons
2001-10-21 19:17 ` Tim Jansen
2001-10-22 0:10 ` Jesse Pollard
2001-10-22 0:37 ` Tim Jansen
2001-10-22 17:18 ` James Simmons
2001-10-22 16:51 ` James Simmons
2001-10-22 18:35 ` Tim Jansen
2001-10-23 7:05 ` Allan Sandfeld
2001-10-21 19:53 ` Gábor Lénárt
2001-10-22 17:04 ` James Simmons
2001-10-23 6:45 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-10-21 12:54 ` Tim Jansen
2001-10-21 15:37 ` john slee
2001-10-21 19:04 ` Tim Jansen
2001-10-21 20:03 ` Gábor Lénárt
2001-10-21 21:06 ` LPP (was: The new X-Kernel !) Tim Jansen
2001-10-21 21:22 ` The new X-Kernel ! Federico Sevilla III
2001-10-21 21:31 ` Gábor Lénárt
2001-10-21 21:38 ` Sean Cavanaugh
2001-10-21 21:52 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-21 22:39 ` Oden Eriksson
2001-10-22 4:44 ` Sean Cavanaugh
2001-10-21 21:53 ` Gábor Lénárt
2001-10-21 22:19 ` LPP (was: The new X-Kernel !) Tim Jansen
2001-10-22 0:28 ` Jakob Østergaard [this message]
2001-10-22 0:57 ` Tim Jansen
2001-10-22 8:34 ` Abraham vd Merwe
2001-10-22 0:24 ` Ragnar Hojland Espinosa
2001-10-23 20:50 ` Petr Baudis
2001-10-30 2:18 ` Ragnar Hojland Espinosa
2001-10-22 9:37 ` Sunil Phatak
2001-10-22 9:47 ` Abraham vd Merwe
2001-10-22 14:33 ` MichaelM
2001-10-22 19:13 ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-22 11:42 ` David Relson
2001-10-21 22:14 ` The new X-Kernel ! Leo Spalteholz
2001-10-22 5:17 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-10-21 16:09 ` Malcolm H. Teas
2001-10-21 19:04 ` Tim Jansen
2001-10-21 19:13 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2001-10-21 19:30 ` Gábor Lénárt
2001-10-21 19:49 ` J Sloan
2001-10-21 21:12 ` Tim Jansen
2001-10-21 21:20 ` D. Stimits
2001-10-21 21:41 ` Gábor Lénárt
2001-10-22 5:42 ` Dwayne C. Litzenberger
2001-10-31 17:34 ` Jim Freeman
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