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From: Steven Walter <srwalter@yahoo.com>
To: Jonathan Lundell <jlundell@pobox.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Linux 2.2.20pre10
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:40:18 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20011022204018.F29445@hapablap.dyn.dhs.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20011022122722.A369@top.worldcontrol.com> <E15vlmG-0003Ff-00@the-village.bc.nu> <20011022174502.B29445@hapablap.dyn.dhs.org> <p05100305b7fa574fb379@[10.128.7.49]> <20011022184738.D29445@hapablap.dyn.dhs.org> <p05100308b7fa612b047e@[10.128.7.49]>
In-Reply-To: <p05100308b7fa612b047e@[10.128.7.49]>; from jlundell@pobox.com on Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 04:58:48PM -0700

On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 04:58:48PM -0700, Jonathan Lundell wrote:
> At 6:47 PM -0500 10/22/01, Steven Walter wrote:
> >  > That seems like a willful misreading of the original. Where did you
> >>  get "consent"? Alan suggests that non-rebellion implies lack of
> >>  consciousness, which doesn't imply consent.
> >
> >Seems like, but isn't.  It's every citizen's responsibility to be aware
> >of the matters concerning the State.  If they aren't, then again it is
> >their own fault.
> 
> I don't quarrel with the fact that you assert that. However, it does 
> not follow from Alan's statement.

My logic is that a lack of rebellion implies consent.  If you don't
rebel against it, then you must agree with it.  If you don't agree with it,
then you must rebel against it.  Is there a flaw in that logic?  Surely,
there are degrees to it, i.e., you disagree, but not enough to be
killed.  However, in what is practically the scenario now (either
they're are killed by the Taliban for disagreeing or killed by Americans
for agreeing), it only makes sense to align yourself with the same side
as your heart.

> And if non-rebellion by a citizenry against immoral behavior by its 
> government justifies the slaughter of that citizenry, then, to quote 
> Jefferson in a slightly different context, " Indeed I tremble for my 
> country when I reflect that God is just, that his justice cannot 
> sleep forever."
> -- 
> /Jonathan Lundell.

-- 
-Steven
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
			-- George Orwell
Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. War is peace.
			-- George Orwell
Those that would give up a necessary freedom for temporary safety
deserver neither freedom nor safety.
			-- Ben Franklin

  reply	other threads:[~2001-10-23  1:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 192+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-10-22 10:21 Linux 2.2.20pre10 Alan Cox
2001-10-22 10:37 ` bert hubert
2001-10-22 11:30   ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 11:35     ` bert hubert
2001-10-22 11:55       ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 12:06         ` Matthias Andree
2001-10-22 12:29           ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 13:24             ` Luigi Genoni
2001-10-22 19:27             ` brian
2001-10-22 19:39               ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 20:04               ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-10-22 20:44                 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 20:45                   ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-10-23  5:56                   ` Paul P Komkoff Jr
2001-10-27 16:18                 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-10-22 20:34               ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 22:45                 ` Steven Walter
2001-10-22 23:07                   ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-22 23:24                     ` Steven Walter
2001-10-24  5:02                     ` Paul G. Allen
2001-10-22 23:39                   ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-10-22 23:47                     ` Steven Walter
2001-10-22 23:58                       ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-10-23  1:40                         ` Steven Walter [this message]
2001-10-23  1:01                       ` Jeff Golds
2001-10-23  1:35                         ` Steven Walter
2001-10-23  3:55                   ` Nicholas Dronen
2001-10-22 23:57               ` Sam Vilain
2001-10-22 23:04             ` David Ford
2001-10-22 23:15               ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 23:32                 ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-22 23:38               ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 12:08         ` bert hubert
2001-10-22 12:30           ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 12:25             ` bert hubert
2001-10-22 12:37               ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 13:33               ` Horst von Brand
2001-10-22 18:21                 ` Dan Hollis
2001-10-22 19:29                 ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 16:30               ` [OT] " dean gaudet
2001-10-22 18:14               ` Dan Hollis
2001-10-22 19:24               ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 23:44               ` Leaving the planet [Was Re: Linux 2.2.20pre10] Sam Vilain
2001-10-22 13:07             ` Linux 2.2.20pre10 Roger Gammans
2001-10-22 13:30               ` bert hubert
2001-10-22 16:11               ` David Lang
2001-10-22 14:11             ` Danny ter Haar
2001-10-22 16:20             ` bill davidsen
2001-10-22 16:34               ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 16:52                 ` Nick LeRoy
2001-10-22 19:39                   ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 19:49                     ` Doug McNaught
2001-10-22 20:51                       ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 23:07                   ` Luigi Genoni
2001-10-22 23:30                     ` D. Stimits
2001-10-23  0:41                       ` Luigi Genoni
2001-10-23  0:42                     ` Michael Rothwell
2001-10-22 19:56                 ` Gregory Ade
2001-10-22 20:21                   ` linux-kernel-legal? was (Re: Linux 2.2.20pre10) Mr. Shannon Aldinger
2001-10-22 21:32                     ` linux-kernel-legal? was David S. Miller
2001-10-22 20:59                 ` Linux 2.2.20pre10 Jussi Laako
2001-10-22 21:56                 ` Bill Davidsen
2001-10-22 22:10                   ` Dan Hollis
2001-10-22 22:16                     ` Tony Hoyle
2001-10-23 13:21                       ` Nick LeRoy
2001-10-22 16:49               ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 17:16                 ` Greg Hennessy
2001-10-22 19:35               ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 16:30             ` Andreas D. Landmark
2001-10-22 19:43             ` Gregory Ade
2001-10-22 20:14               ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 21:30                 ` Gerhard Mack
2001-10-24  8:18                   ` Florian Weimer
2001-10-24 17:45         ` Riley Williams
2001-10-22 19:28     ` Gavin Baker
2001-10-22 10:40 ` Allan Sandfeld
2001-10-22 17:31   ` Dominik Kubla
2001-10-27 15:57     ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-10-22 10:41 ` Andreas Haumer
2001-10-22 10:52   ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 17:05 ` Linux 2.2.20pre11 Greg KH
2001-10-22 17:23   ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 17:30     ` David S. Miller
2001-10-22 17:42       ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 17:52     ` Eli Carter
2001-10-24 22:41 ` Linux 2.2.20pre10 Rik van Riel
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-10-26 20:26 Fabian Svara
2001-10-26 18:49 ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-23 12:31 Jesse Pollard
2001-10-23  3:45 Thomas Hood
2001-10-23  2:48 Patrick Chase
2001-10-22 23:40 Carsten Kuckuk
2001-10-22 23:06 ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 23:35 Craig Dickson
2001-10-23  0:53 ` Luigi Genoni
2001-10-23  1:08   ` Craig Dickson
2001-10-22 23:30 Thomas Hood
2001-10-22 23:45 ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 22:27 Wayne.Brown
2001-10-22 23:56 ` David Weinehall
2001-10-23  0:40   ` Chris Gomez
2001-10-23 16:21 ` Jonathan Amery
2001-10-22 22:20 Leif Sawyer
     [not found] <fa.mf0j8bv.1e5o8jq@ifi.uio.no>
2001-10-22 22:15 ` Sam Varshavchik
2001-10-22 22:12 Wayne.Brown
2001-10-22 22:26 ` Kilobug
2001-10-22 21:07 Wayne.Brown
2001-10-22 20:57 Craig Dickson
2001-10-22 21:07 ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 21:21   ` Tom Sightler
2001-10-22 21:23   ` Craig Dickson
2001-10-22 21:32     ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 22:13       ` Craig Dickson
2001-10-22 22:22         ` Jan Niehusmann
2001-10-22 23:25         ` Jeff Golds
2001-10-22 23:27         ` Jeff Garzik
2001-10-23 16:27         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-10-23  1:59       ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-10-23  4:36         ` CaT
2001-10-23 10:50         ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-23 17:36         ` Paul Jakma
2001-10-23 18:25           ` David S. Miller
2001-10-22 21:37   ` Bob Glamm
2001-10-22 22:02     ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 22:17       ` Pedro Corte-Real
2001-10-22 23:02         ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 21:27 ` ogd116
2001-10-22 21:37   ` Craig Dickson
2001-10-22 21:43     ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 21:58       ` Tony Hoyle
2001-10-22 22:04         ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 21:48     ` ognen
2001-10-22 20:27 PinkFreud
2001-10-22 20:30 ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 20:42   ` PinkFreud
2001-10-22 22:57     ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-22 23:21       ` Jeff Garzik
2001-10-22 21:17   ` D. Stimits
2001-10-23  0:11     ` Luigi Genoni
2001-10-23 10:00       ` Marco Colombo
2001-10-22 20:22 Torrey Hoffman
2001-10-22 20:37 ` Tommy Reynolds
2001-10-22 19:58 Rogier Wolff
2001-10-22 20:28 ` Steve Brueggeman
2001-10-22 18:59 Wayne.Brown
2001-10-22 20:01 ` bill davidsen
2001-10-22 18:27 Wayne.Brown
2001-10-22 18:38 ` Nick LeRoy
2001-10-22 18:40 ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-22 19:23   ` Paul Fulghum
2001-10-22 19:14 ` Tudor Bosman
2001-10-22 19:42   ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-22 19:55   ` Tom Sightler
2001-10-22 20:42     ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 20:45       ` Dan Hollis
2001-10-22 21:12         ` Tom Sightler
2001-10-22 21:35           ` Dan Hollis
2001-10-22 22:49           ` David Weinehall
2001-10-22 23:29             ` Tom Sightler
2001-10-22 23:49               ` D. Stimits
2001-10-23  1:32                 ` Tom Sightler
2001-10-22 21:04       ` Tom Sightler
2001-10-22 20:28   ` Alan Cox
2001-10-24 19:00   ` Riley Williams
2001-10-22 23:19 ` Luigi Genoni
2001-10-22 18:13 Per Jessen
2001-10-24 13:27 ` Horst von Brand
2001-10-22 17:51 Wayne.Brown
2001-10-22 18:06 ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 21:52   ` Kilobug
2001-10-23  6:29     ` Yoann Vandoorselaere
2001-10-22 18:41 ` Joel Jaeggli
2001-10-22 19:38 ` Adrian Bunk
2001-10-22 17:21 Wayne.Brown
2001-10-22 17:35 ` George Garvey
2001-10-22 17:46 ` Nick LeRoy
2001-10-22 17:57   ` Rob Turk
2001-10-22 19:45   ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 20:17   ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 17:51 ` Rob Turk
2001-10-22 15:11 Wayne.Brown
2001-10-22 15:42 ` Tom Sightler
2001-10-22 16:03 ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-11 23:06 Alan Cox
2001-09-12  8:01 ` Roberto Nibali
2001-09-12  8:08 ` David Woodhouse
2001-09-12  8:36   ` Kai Germaschewski
2001-09-12  8:38     ` David Woodhouse
2001-09-12  8:21 ` Andreas Haumer
2001-09-17  6:08 ` Mike Fedyk
2001-09-17 12:24   ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 15:04 ` Nicolas Turro

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