From: Cort Dougan <cort@fsmlabs.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: Victor Yodaiken <yodaiken@fsmlabs.com>,
Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>,
Benjamin LaHaise <bcrl@redhat.com>,
"David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: please revert bogus patch to vmscan.c
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 11:01:31 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20011030110131.A11419@ftsoj.fsmlabs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20011030095757.A9956@hq2> <Pine.LNX.4.33.0110300903320.8603-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0110300903320.8603-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>; from torvalds@transmeta.com on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 09:17:31AM -0800
Actually, they swung the pendelum the other way for the 64-bit chips. The
VSID's (MM contexts) are indirectly accessed via a hash-table (with an on
chip TLB-style cache called a SLB).
The speedup from using the software table-walk actually came from emulating
x86 instead of using the native hash tables. Pretty slick that emulating a
30-year old MMU and improves performance on the PowerPC, eh?
There was an April Fools Microprocessor reports describing a processor that
had gone 64-bit and had a "twisted gothic nightmare of twisted logic" based
MMU that involved XOR-ing addresses with random numbers. They were
unwittingly predicting the future of the PPC MMU.
The nightmares and shakes have never ended for me, either. Sorry about
that, man.
} Gods, I hope they have reconsidered that in their 64-bit chips. The 32-bit
} hash chains may be ugly, but the architected 32/64-bit MMU stuff is just
} so incredibly baroque that it makes any other MMU look positively
} beautiful ("Segments? Segments shmegments. Big deal").
}
} I still have the occasional nightmares about the IBM block diagrams
} "explaining" the PowerPC MMU in their technical documentation.
}
} There's probably a perfectly valid explanation for them, though (*).
}
} Linus
}
} (*) Probably along the lines of the designers being so high on LSD that
} they thought it was a really cool idea. That would certainly explain it in
} a very logical fashion.
}
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-10-30 18:05 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-10-29 23:08 please revert bogus patch to vmscan.c Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-29 23:14 ` David S. Miller
2001-10-29 23:15 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-29 23:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-29 23:33 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-29 23:36 ` David S. Miller
2001-10-29 23:39 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-29 23:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-29 23:48 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-29 23:50 ` David S. Miller
2001-10-29 23:51 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-29 23:55 ` David S. Miller
2001-10-29 23:57 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-30 0:01 ` David S. Miller
2001-10-30 0:05 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-29 23:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-30 1:31 ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-30 1:34 ` David S. Miller
2001-10-30 1:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-30 1:46 ` David S. Miller
2001-10-30 2:25 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-30 15:20 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-10-30 15:34 ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-30 15:51 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-10-30 16:34 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-30 17:00 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-10-30 17:07 ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-30 16:13 ` Giuliano Pochini
2001-10-30 16:54 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-10-30 17:23 ` Giuliano Pochini
2001-10-30 17:30 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-10-31 0:38 ` Paul Mackerras
[not found] ` <15327.8495.767553.389519@cargo.ozlabs.ibm.com>
2001-10-31 1:57 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-10-30 16:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-30 16:47 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-30 16:57 ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-10-30 17:16 ` Troy Benjegerdes
2001-10-30 17:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-30 17:51 ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-10-30 18:01 ` Cort Dougan [this message]
2001-10-30 21:39 ` Paul Mackerras
2001-10-30 22:36 ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-10-30 17:23 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-30 17:36 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-30 17:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-30 1:49 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-30 9:03 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-29 23:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-29 23:29 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-29 23:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-30 0:02 ` Hugh Dickins
2001-10-30 0:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-30 0:04 ` David S. Miller
2001-10-29 23:51 ` Paul Mackerras
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