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From: Cort Dougan <cort@fsmlabs.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: Victor Yodaiken <yodaiken@fsmlabs.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>,
	Benjamin LaHaise <bcrl@redhat.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: please revert bogus patch to vmscan.c
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 11:01:31 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20011030110131.A11419@ftsoj.fsmlabs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20011030095757.A9956@hq2> <Pine.LNX.4.33.0110300903320.8603-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0110300903320.8603-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>; from torvalds@transmeta.com on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 09:17:31AM -0800

Actually, they swung the pendelum the other way for the 64-bit chips.  The
VSID's (MM contexts) are indirectly accessed via a hash-table (with an on
chip TLB-style cache called a SLB).

The speedup from using the software table-walk actually came from emulating
x86 instead of using the native hash tables.  Pretty slick that emulating a
30-year old MMU and improves performance on the PowerPC, eh?

There was an April Fools Microprocessor reports describing a processor that
had gone 64-bit and had a "twisted gothic nightmare of twisted logic" based
MMU that involved XOR-ing addresses with random numbers.  They were
unwittingly predicting the future of the PPC MMU.

The nightmares and shakes have never ended for me, either.  Sorry about
that, man.

} Gods, I hope they have reconsidered that in their 64-bit chips. The 32-bit
} hash chains may be ugly, but the architected 32/64-bit MMU stuff is just
} so incredibly baroque that it makes any other MMU look positively
} beautiful ("Segments? Segments shmegments. Big deal").
} 
} I still have the occasional nightmares about the IBM block diagrams
} "explaining" the PowerPC MMU in their technical documentation.
} 
} There's probably a perfectly valid explanation for them, though (*).
} 
} 		Linus
} 
} (*) Probably along the lines of the designers being so high on LSD that
} they thought it was a really cool idea. That would certainly explain it in
} a very logical fashion.
} 
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-10-30 18:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-10-29 23:08 please revert bogus patch to vmscan.c Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-29 23:14 ` David S. Miller
2001-10-29 23:15   ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-29 23:25     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-29 23:33       ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-29 23:36         ` David S. Miller
2001-10-29 23:39           ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-29 23:41             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-29 23:48               ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-29 23:50                 ` David S. Miller
2001-10-29 23:51                   ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-29 23:55                     ` David S. Miller
2001-10-29 23:57                       ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-30  0:01                         ` David S. Miller
2001-10-30  0:05                           ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-29 23:58                       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-30  1:31                   ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-30  1:34                     ` David S. Miller
2001-10-30  1:42                       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-30  1:46                         ` David S. Miller
2001-10-30  2:25                         ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-30 15:20                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-10-30 15:34                             ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-30 15:51                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-10-30 16:34                                 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-30 17:00                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-10-30 17:07                                     ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-30 16:13                               ` Giuliano Pochini
2001-10-30 16:54                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-10-30 17:23                                   ` Giuliano Pochini
2001-10-30 17:30                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-10-31  0:38                                       ` Paul Mackerras
     [not found]                                       ` <15327.8495.767553.389519@cargo.ozlabs.ibm.com>
2001-10-31  1:57                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-10-30 16:38                               ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-30 16:47                                 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-30 16:57                                 ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-10-30 17:16                                   ` Troy Benjegerdes
2001-10-30 17:17                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-30 17:51                                     ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-10-30 18:01                                     ` Cort Dougan [this message]
2001-10-30 21:39                                   ` Paul Mackerras
2001-10-30 22:36                                     ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-10-30 17:23                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-30 17:36                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-30 17:41                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-30  1:49                       ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-30  9:03                   ` Alan Cox
2001-10-29 23:22   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-29 23:29     ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-10-29 23:44       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-30  0:02       ` Hugh Dickins
2001-10-30  0:04         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-30  0:04         ` David S. Miller
2001-10-29 23:51 ` Paul Mackerras

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