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From: Mark Zealey <mark@zealos.org>
To: Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: PROBLEM: Linux updates RTC secretly when clock synchronizes
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 23:10:37 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20011109231037.C25361@itsolve.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20011109223053.A964@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0111092247070.14996-100000@Consulate.UFP.CX>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0111092247070.14996-100000@Consulate.UFP.CX>; from rhw@MemAlpha.cx on Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 10:54:10PM +0000

On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 10:54:10PM +0000, Riley Williams wrote:

> Hi Pavel.
> 
> >>>> According to your comments, you prefer (2).
> >>>> I most definitely prefer (1).
> 
> >>> Hmm, and if some malicious software insmods kernel module to
> >>> work around your printk()?
> 
> >> ...it gets "Port busy" when it tries to access the RTC ports that the
> >> RTC driver built into the kernel already has opened exclusively. At
> >> least, that's my understanding of the situation at present.
> 
> > It does not work that way. Userland does iopl(0), and then it just
> > bangs any port it wants to.
> 
> If any user can do that, then Linux is borken solid.
> 
> Just out of curiosity, what is wrong with the idea of having the kernel
> at iopl(0), any kernel modules at either iopl(1) or iopl(2) and apps at
> iopl(3) ??? There is obviously something, but I've no idea what.

Kernel stuff (kernel, modules) run at iopl(0). Only root programs can request
iopl(0) for itself, otherwise all hell would break loose (eg, user 'nobody'
writing to the hdd etc...)

-- 

Mark Zealey
mark@zealos.org
mark@itsolve.co.uk

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  reply	other threads:[~2001-11-09 23:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-10-31  0:33 PROBLEM: Linux updates RTC secretly when clock synchronizes Ian Maclaine-cross
2001-10-31  1:05 ` Kurt Roeckx
2001-10-31  2:55   ` Ian Maclaine-cross
2001-10-31 11:52     ` Kurt Roeckx
2001-11-01  0:52       ` Riley Williams
2001-11-01  1:26         ` Kurt Roeckx
2001-11-01 13:57         ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-02  9:50           ` Riley Williams
2001-11-03 11:41             ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-03 18:35               ` Riley Williams
2001-11-03 19:19                 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-03 21:04                 ` Kurt Roeckx
2001-11-06 10:01                 ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-06  9:57             ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-02 12:16 ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-05 23:08   ` Riley Williams
2001-11-06 10:17     ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-07  0:00       ` Riley Williams
2001-11-07  0:44         ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-07  1:01           ` Kurt Roeckx
2001-11-07  1:15             ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-07  9:24             ` Russell King
2001-11-08 12:26         ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-08 23:00           ` Riley Williams
2001-11-09  9:32             ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-09 21:11               ` Riley Williams
2001-11-09 21:30                 ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-09 22:54                   ` Riley Williams
2001-11-09 23:10                     ` Mark Zealey [this message]
2001-11-10 20:04                     ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-10 20:35                       ` Riley Williams
2001-11-10 20:43                         ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-10 20:49                         ` Doug McNaught
2001-11-06  0:20   ` Ian Maclaine-cross
2001-11-06 10:18     ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-08  5:09       ` Ian Maclaine-cross

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