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From: Mike Fedyk <mfedyk@matchmail.com>
To: Richard Gooch <rgooch@ras.ucalgary.ca>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>, Ben Israel <ben@genesis-one.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: File System Performance
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:08:22 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20011112160822.E32099@mikef-linux.matchmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <00b201c16b81$9d7aaba0$5101a8c0@pbc.adelphia.net> <3BEFF9D1.3CC01AB3@zip.com.au> <00da01c16ba2$96aeda00$5101a8c0@pbc.adelphia.net> <3BF02702.34C21E75@zip.com.au> <200111121959.fACJxsj08462@vindaloo.ras.ucalgary.ca> <20011112150740.B32099@mikef-linux.matchmail.com> <200111130004.fAD04v912703@vindaloo.ras.ucalgary.ca>
In-Reply-To: <200111130004.fAD04v912703@vindaloo.ras.ucalgary.ca>

On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 05:04:57PM -0700, Richard Gooch wrote:
> Mike Fedyk writes:
> > On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 12:59:54PM -0700, Richard Gooch wrote:
> > > Here's an idea: add a "--compact" option to tar, so that it creates
> > > *all* inodes (files and directories alike) in the base directory, and
> > > then renames newly created entries to shuffle them into their correct
> > > positions. That should limit the number of block groups that are used,
> > > right?
> > > 
> > > It would probably also be a good idea to do that for cp as well, so
> > > that when I do a "cp -al" of a virgin kernel tree, I can keep all the
> > > directory inodes together. It will make a cold diff even faster.
> > 
> > I don't think that would help at all... With the current file/dir
> > allocator it will choose a new block group for each directory no
> > matter what the parent is...
> 
> I thought the current implementation was that when creating a
> directory, ext2fs searches forward from the block group the parent
> directory is in, looking for a "relatively free" block group. So, a
> number of successive calls to mkdir(2) with the same parent directory
> will result in the child directories being in the same block group.
> 
> So, creating the directory tree by creating directories in the base
> directory and then shuffling should result in the directories be
> spread out over a modest number of block groups, rather than a large
> number.
> 
> Addendum to my scheme: leaf nodes should be created in their
> directories, not in the base directory. IOW, it's only directories
> that should use this trick.
> 
> Am I wrong in my understanding of the current algorithm?
> 

You are almost describing the new algo to a "T"...

It deals very well with fast growth, but not so well with slow growth, as
mentioned in previous posts in this thread...

There is a lengthy thread in ext2-devel right now, if you read it it'll
answer many of your questions.

Mike

  reply	other threads:[~2001-11-13  0:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-11-12 13:54 File System Performance Ben Israel
2001-11-12 16:33 ` Andrew Morton
2001-11-12 17:50   ` Ben Israel
2001-11-12 19:46     ` Andrew Morton
2001-11-12 19:59       ` Richard Gooch
2001-11-12 23:07         ` Mike Fedyk
2001-11-13  0:04           ` Richard Gooch
2001-11-13  0:08             ` Mike Fedyk [this message]
2001-11-13  0:26               ` Richard Gooch
2001-11-13  0:47                 ` Mike Castle
2001-11-13  1:28                 ` Mike Fedyk
2001-11-13  6:34                   ` Richard Gooch
2001-11-13 20:56                     ` Andreas Dilger
2001-11-13  7:45             ` Andreas Dilger
2001-11-12 20:06       ` Steve Lord
2001-11-12 20:41         ` Andrew Morton
2001-11-12 21:27           ` Steve Lord
2001-11-12 21:43             ` Andrew Morton
2001-11-12 21:45               ` Steve Lord
2001-11-12 21:48               ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-12 22:11                 ` Lionel Bouton
2001-11-12 19:41                   ` Gérard Roudier
2001-11-12 22:14                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-12 22:30                     ` Ragnar Kjørstad
2001-11-12 22:36                     ` Andrew Morton
2001-11-12 23:04                       ` Mike Castle
2001-11-13  9:56                         ` Peter Wächtler
2001-11-13  9:41                     ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-11-12 22:16                 ` Andrew Morton
2001-11-12 22:26                   ` Steve Lord
2001-11-12 22:32                   ` Lionel Bouton
2001-11-12 22:45                     ` Alan Cox
2001-11-12 22:39                   ` Alan Cox
2001-11-12 22:39                     ` Xavier Bestel
2001-11-12 22:46                   ` Mike Castle
2001-11-12 21:53             ` Lionel Bouton
2001-11-13  0:17           ` Andreas Dilger
2001-11-13  0:40             ` Peter J . Braam
2001-11-13 20:46               ` Andreas Dilger
2001-11-16 22:07                 ` Peter J . Braam
2001-11-16 23:14                   ` Mike Fedyk
2001-11-12 16:40 ` Ben Israel
2001-11-12 17:29 ` Andrew Morton
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-11-12 22:36 Grant Erickson

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