Re: Re: Re: loop back broken in 2.2.14

Re: Re: Re: loop back broken in 2.2.14

[joeja]

I think that was suggested a while ago, in the 2.2 days.  It didn't fly! There was however a general consensus that for small bugs that are found in a 'stable' release there should be fixes for just the bug as the next release.  I.E. 2.2.15 should be released with just the one fix.  Linus didn't seem to go for that as well as some other developers .

If 2.5 was open this kind of thing would probably not happen, but that is not to say that there would not be other issues in 2.4

If someone has the web space, they could as you say, post these 2.4.14.fixme kernels and then also maintain the patches between the official Linus kernel and the fixme kernels.  

J  

Michael Peddemors <michael@wizard.ca> wrote:
> Well, the loopback bug is a pain.. but we have had these pains on quite
a few releases in the 2.4.x series... 

I wonder if maybe a new method of distributing kernels should happen..
2.4.14 should become 2.4.14-stable meaning that it never ever changes
after release, and 2.4.14-fixed means that these tiny typos, gotchas,
and backport driver fixes can get into 2.4.14-fixed which may change
from day to day, but not get any enhancements, only minor fixes..

People could try 2.4.14-stable, and if they have a problem, they could
just try the 2.4.14-fixed to see if their problem is already
addressed...

The idea is that at least every major release kernel should compile, and
it would reduce the noise levels from people trying out *stable* kernel
versions..

Just a thought..

On Mon, 2001-11-12 at 12:27, joeja@mindspring.com wrote:
> I thought that the -pre would be the developer kernels, and that an actual release (2.4.14) would have been somewhat tested.  I fully understand that a 'runtime' bug in the vm or some other system could arrise and that is one thing. I also understand when a 'less used' driver like NTFS or VFAT breaks, but to see bugs in the loop device in a 'stabilizing' kernel is something that I thought I'd never see.
> 

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Re: Re: Re: loop back broken in 2.2.14

[Michael Peddemors]

Yes, I seriously considered the feasibility of having 2.4.14-fixed
kernels around, but I could just imagine trying to deal with millions of
people trying to download known good kernels on our bandwidth...

It would be good to be able to point people to a stable kernel.. instead
of having to recommend kernels in the pre-series..

But for now, fixing the 2.4.14. loopback bug has given us a kernel we
are most comfortable with.. 

Just wish that 2.4.14 was that kernel..

On Wed, 2001-11-14 at 10:17, joeja@mindspring.com wrote:
> I think that was suggested a while ago, in the 2.2 days.  It didn't fly! There was however a general consensus that for small bugs that are found in a 'stable' release there should be fixes for just the bug as the next release.  I.E. 2.2.15 should be released with just the one fix.  Linus didn't seem to go for that as well as some other developers .
> 
> If 2.5 was open this kind of thing would probably not happen, but that is not to say that there would not be other issues in 2.4
> 
> If someone has the web space, they could as you say, post these 2.4.14.fixme kernels and then also maintain the patches between the official Linus kernel and the fixme kernels.  

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Re: Re: Re: loop back broken in 2.2.14

[J.A. Magallon]

On 20011115 Michael Peddemors wrote:
>Yes, I seriously considered the feasibility of having 2.4.14-fixed
>kernels around, but I could just imagine trying to deal with millions of
>people trying to download known good kernels on our bandwidth...
>
>It would be good to be able to point people to a stable kernel.. instead
>of having to recommend kernels in the pre-series..
>
...
>On Wed, 2001-11-14 at 10:17, joeja@mindspring.com wrote:
>> I think that was suggested a while ago, in the 2.2 days.  It didn't fly! There was however a general consensus that for small bugs that are found in a 'stable' release there should be fixes for just the bug as the next release.  I.E. 2.2.15 should be released with just the one fix.  Linus didn't seem to go for that as well as some other developers .
>> 

Well, Linus could post a 'errata' patch...
Layout now in ftp space is (reverse date order):

	test-kernels
	ChangeLog-2.4.14
	LATEST-IS-2.4.14
	linux-2.4.14.tar.bz2

A couple files could be posted, named Errata-2.4.14 and linux-2.4.14-errata.bz2,
first being a description of what the second (the patchs) cures...with names like
that so the listing gets them visible near the main tarball...

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Re: loop back broken in 2.2.14

[Joe]

Well I think it is a good idea to do this and have errata patches or something.  I don't think Linus wants the extra work.  I'd do it myself, but I don't have the ftp storage space, the time or the bandwidth.   I am now keeping seperate trees on my box.  One that is the default kernel and then my tree which has fixes to that tree.   I'll be working out a
system of testing and migration now ..................

> Well, Linus could post a 'errata' patch...
> Layout now in ftp space is (reverse date order):
>
>         test-kernels
>         ChangeLog-2.4.14
>         LATEST-IS-2.4.14
>         linux-2.4.14.tar.bz2