From: Stephan von Krawczynski <skraw@ithnet.com>
To: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
Cc: akpm@zip.com.au, phillips@bonn-fries.net, hps@intermeta.de,
jgarzik@mandrakesoft.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Linux/Pro [was Re: Coding style - a non-issue]
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 02:21:57 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20011201022157.38ed90b5.skraw@ithnet.com> (raw)
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On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:57:40 -0800
Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com> wrote:
> [...]
> Here's how you get both. Fork the development efforts into the SMP part
> and the uniprocessor part. The uniprocessor focus is on reliability,
> stability, performance. The SMP part is a whole new development effort,
> which is architected in such a way as to avoid the complexity of a
> traditional SMP implementation.
>
> The uniprocessor team owns the core architecture of the system. The
> abstractions provided, the baseline code, etc., that's all uni. The
> focus there is a small, fast, stable kernel.
>
> The SMP team doesn't get to touch the core code, or at least there is
> a very strong feedback loop against. In private converstations, we've
> started talking about the "punch in the nose" feedback loop, which means
> while it may be necessary to touch generic code for the benefit of SMP,
> someone has to feel strongly enough about it that they well sacrifice
> their nose.
Hi Larry,
let me first tell you this: I am only stating my very personal opinion here and
am probably no guy of your experience or insight in high-tech delevopment
groups. But I saw the whole business for quite some years now, so my thinking:
Your proposal is the wrong way, because:
1) You split up "the crew". Whatever you may call "the crew" here, they all
have one thing in common: they are working on the _same_ project _and_ (very
important either) _one_ man has the final decision. If you look at _any_ other
OS developed by quite a number of completely different people you have to admit
one thing: everything was busted when they began to split up in different
"branches". That simply does not work out. I am only referring to simple human
interaction and communication here, nothing to do with the technical issues.
One of the basic reasons for the success of Linux so far is the collaborated
work of a damn lot of people on the _same_ project.
2) I cannot see the _need_ for such a "team-splitup". If you say one team (core
team) has the "last word" about the baseline code, what do you think will
happen if "necessary" code changes for the second team will be refused? Simple:
they will fork a completely new linux-tree. And this is _the_ end. If you were
to write a driver, what tree will you choose after that? I mean you are dealing
with the main reason why people like linux, here. And not: SCO Unix 3.x,
Unixware, Solaris, Minix, AT&T Unix, Xenix, HPUX, AIX, BSD, NetBSD, BSDi,
Solaris-for-Intel, make-my-day ... (all registered trademark of their
respective owners, which have all low interaction capabilities)
I don't want that, do we want that?
3) Your SMP team (you are talking of true high scaled SMP here) has a very big
problem: it has _very_ few users (compared to UP) and even less developers with
the _hardware_ you need for something like that. I mean you are not talking
about buying an Asus Board and 2 PIII here, you talk about serious, expensive
hardware here. How many people have this at home, or at work for free playing?
Well, see what I mean?
4) Warning, this is the hard stuff!
Ok, so you are fond of SUN. Well, me too. But I am not completely blind, not
yet :-) So I must tell you, if Solaris were the real big hit, then why its
Intel-Version is virtualy been eaten up on the market (the _buying_ market out
there) by linux? The last time I met a guy seriously talking about Solaris
(x86) being "better" than Linux was about three years ago. And btw, this was
_the_ last guy talking about it at all. So lets simply assume this: the Solaris
UP market is already gone, if you are talking about the _mass_ market. This
parrot is _deceased_! It is plain dead.
Now you are dealing with another problem: SUN (being kind of the last resort of
a widespread and really working commercial unix) will have a lot of work to do
in the future to keep up with the simple mass of software and application
coming in for linux, only because it is even _more_ widespread today than
Solaris has ever been. And it is _real_ cheap, and you get it _everywhere_. And
everybody owns a box on which you can use it.
This is going to get very hard for SUN, if they do not enter a stage of
complete rethinking what is going on out there.
To make that clear: _nobody_ here _fights_ against SUN or Solaris. Quite a few
of us like it very much. But this is a commercial product. It needs to be sold
to survive - and that is going to be a future problem. SUN will not survive
only building the high-power low-mass computer. CRAY did not either. So maybe
the real good choice would be this: let the good parts of Solaris (and maybe
its SMP features) migrate into linux. This does not mean they should lay off
the staff, just on contrary: these are brilliant people, let them do what they
can do best, but keep an eye on the market. We are in the state of: the market
_demands_ linux. It has already become a well-known trademark, I tend to
believe better-known than Solaris. Somehow one has the feeling they indeed know
whats coming (fs), but have not come to the final (and hard to take)
conclusion.
And to clarify: I am not taking any drugs. This is serious. I have the strong
feeling, that there is already a big player out there, that has learnt a hard
lesson: IBM - and the lesson named OS/2.
When OS/2 came out, I told the people: if they are not going to give it away
for free, they will not make it. And they didn't. Indeed I did not expect them
to learn at all (simply because big companies are mostly not quick-movers), but
they do really astonishing things nowadays. I have the strong feeling the
management is at least as brilliant as the Solaris developpers and worth every
buck, too.
But this is only my small voice, and quite possibly only few are listening, if
any ...
Regards,
Stephan
PS: Is this really a topic for a kernel-mailing-list?
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2001-11-28 23:29 Coding style - a non-issue Peter Waltenberg
2001-11-28 23:40 ` Russell King
2001-11-28 23:48 ` Alan Cox
2001-11-28 23:48 ` Robert Love
2001-11-29 0:17 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-29 0:23 ` Larry McVoy
2001-11-29 0:57 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-11-30 10:00 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-11-30 15:26 ` Larry McVoy
2001-11-30 16:39 ` Henning Schmiedehausen
2001-11-30 16:47 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-11-30 17:15 ` Henning Schmiedehausen
2001-11-30 17:23 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-30 17:27 ` Larry McVoy
2001-11-30 17:49 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-30 18:07 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-30 18:13 ` Larry McVoy
2001-11-30 18:43 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-30 19:05 ` Larry McVoy
2001-11-30 21:54 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-30 22:06 ` Larry McVoy
2001-11-30 22:17 ` Andrew Morton
2001-11-30 22:51 ` rddunlap
2001-11-30 23:57 ` Linux/Pro [was Re: Coding style - a non-issue] Larry McVoy
2001-12-01 1:13 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-12-01 1:15 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-01 2:17 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-12-01 2:14 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-01 11:41 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-01 23:05 ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-02 20:29 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-02 20:34 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-02 20:55 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-12-02 21:32 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-02 21:59 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-12-04 1:55 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-04 9:12 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-02 21:19 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-12-03 6:38 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-12-02 21:23 ` Andrew Morton
2001-12-02 21:39 ` Dave Jones
2001-12-02 22:10 ` Andrew Morton
2001-12-04 16:46 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-12-04 1:49 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-02 21:24 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-02 22:52 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-12-02 23:54 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-03 12:08 ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-04 9:36 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-12-04 15:30 ` Over 4-way systems considered harmful :-) M. Edward Borasky
2001-12-04 17:41 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-05 5:07 ` M. Edward Borasky
2001-12-05 17:43 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-12 19:17 ` Matthew Fredrickson
2001-12-05 22:45 ` Pavel Machek
2001-12-04 20:48 ` Todd Underwood
2001-12-05 4:23 ` M. Edward Borasky
2001-12-04 1:59 ` Linux/Pro [was Re: Coding style - a non-issue] Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-06 13:46 ` Pavel Machek
2001-12-06 20:50 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-06 21:09 ` Wilson
2001-12-04 9:21 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2001-12-04 9:40 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 11:55 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2001-12-03 23:01 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-12-04 3:38 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-04 6:32 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-04 9:07 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 9:27 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2001-12-04 23:02 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-04 23:31 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-04 23:37 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-05 0:36 ` SMP/cc Cluster description [was Linux/Pro] Larry McVoy
2001-12-05 2:02 ` erich
2001-12-05 9:09 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-05 18:01 ` Jeff Merkey
2001-12-05 19:40 ` Loadable drivers [was SMP/cc Cluster description ] erich
2001-12-05 20:04 ` erich
2001-12-05 20:28 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-12-05 21:17 ` erich
2001-12-06 16:34 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-12-06 20:14 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-12-07 0:37 ` erich
2001-12-07 13:34 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-12-06 4:49 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-07 0:41 ` erich
2001-12-05 2:36 ` SMP/cc Cluster description David S. Miller
2001-12-05 3:23 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-05 6:05 ` David S. Miller
2001-12-05 6:51 ` Jeff Merkey
2001-12-06 2:52 ` Rusty Russell
2001-12-06 3:19 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-12-06 7:56 ` David S. Miller
2001-12-06 8:02 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-06 8:09 ` David S. Miller
2001-12-06 18:27 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2001-12-06 18:37 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2001-12-06 18:36 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-06 18:45 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2001-12-06 19:11 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-12-06 19:34 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2001-12-06 23:16 ` David Lang
2001-12-07 2:56 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2001-12-07 4:23 ` David Lang
2001-12-07 5:45 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2001-12-06 19:42 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-06 19:53 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-06 20:10 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-06 20:10 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-06 20:15 ` David S. Miller
2001-12-06 20:21 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-06 21:02 ` David S. Miller
2001-12-06 22:27 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-12-06 22:59 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-06 23:08 ` David S. Miller
2001-12-06 23:26 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-07 2:49 ` Adam Keys
2001-12-07 4:40 ` Jeff Dike
2001-12-06 21:30 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-07 8:54 ` Henning Schmiedehausen
2001-12-07 16:06 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-07 16:44 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-07 17:23 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-07 18:04 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-07 18:23 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-07 18:42 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-07 18:48 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-07 19:06 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-07 19:00 ` Daniel Bergman
2001-12-07 19:07 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-09 9:24 ` Pavel Machek
2001-12-06 22:37 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-06 22:35 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-06 22:54 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-07 2:34 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-07 2:50 ` David S. Miller
2001-12-06 22:38 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-06 22:32 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-06 22:48 ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-06 22:55 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-06 23:15 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-06 23:19 ` David S. Miller
2001-12-06 23:32 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-06 23:47 ` David S. Miller
2001-12-07 0:17 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-07 2:37 ` David S. Miller
2001-12-07 2:43 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-07 2:59 ` David S. Miller
2001-12-07 3:17 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-06 14:24 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-06 17:28 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-12-06 17:52 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-06 18:10 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-12-05 8:12 ` Momchil Velikov
2001-12-05 3:25 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-12-05 3:17 ` Stephen Satchell
2001-12-05 14:23 ` SMP/cc Cluster description [was Linux/Pro] Rob Landley
2001-12-06 0:24 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-06 0:34 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-05 20:09 ` Rob Landley
2001-12-05 19:05 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-05 19:11 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-05 14:33 ` Rob Landley
2001-12-05 21:02 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-05 21:05 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-05 21:14 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-05 21:25 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-05 21:36 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-05 21:41 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-05 22:13 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-12-05 22:12 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-05 23:37 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-12-06 9:50 ` Henning Schmiedehausen
2001-12-06 9:46 ` David Lang
2001-12-06 17:11 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-06 17:48 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2001-12-05 23:17 ` Nigel Gamble
2001-12-06 0:06 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-06 14:07 ` Linux/Pro [was Re: Coding style - a non-issue] Pavel Machek
2001-12-05 10:03 ` Your patch for CS432x sound driver szonyi calin
2001-12-01 10:09 ` Linux/Pro [was Re: Coding style - a non-issue] Alan Cox
2001-12-01 9:30 ` Gérard Roudier
2001-12-01 23:31 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-12-02 16:21 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-12-02 16:42 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-02 18:41 ` jeff millar
2001-12-01 1:18 ` Andrew Morton
2001-12-01 10:05 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-01 17:16 ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-12-02 16:19 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-12-02 16:44 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-02 17:10 ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-12-02 17:30 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-12-02 18:16 ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-12-02 18:20 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-12-02 18:26 ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-12-02 19:33 ` [MOc]cda*mirabilos
2001-12-03 0:23 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-02 18:59 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-02 18:54 ` M. Edward Borasky
2001-12-03 3:22 ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-03 14:31 ` M. Edward Borasky
2001-12-04 9:28 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 13:41 ` David Weinehall
2001-12-04 19:35 ` Dan Hollis
2001-12-04 19:57 ` David Weinehall
2001-12-04 19:34 ` Dan Hollis
2001-12-04 22:22 ` Pavel Machek
2001-12-06 0:20 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-01 1:21 ` Stephan von Krawczynski [this message]
2001-12-01 5:01 ` Mike Fedyk
2001-12-01 22:05 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-12-05 7:05 ` Mike Fedyk
2001-12-01 16:04 ` Mark Frazer
2001-12-01 16:10 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-01 5:50 ` Mike Fedyk
2001-12-01 0:35 ` Coding style - a non-issue Rik van Riel
2001-12-01 0:44 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-01 0:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-01 1:09 ` Mike Castle
2001-12-01 1:34 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-12-01 16:05 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-12-01 16:27 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-01 18:54 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-01 1:15 ` Petko Manolov
2001-12-01 2:02 ` Tim Hockin
2001-12-01 2:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-01 23:11 ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-01 3:02 ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-12-01 3:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-01 3:30 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-01 3:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-01 4:10 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-01 4:44 ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-12-01 5:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-01 6:13 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-01 20:17 ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-12-01 20:30 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-01 12:34 ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-12-01 22:23 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-12-02 0:43 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-12-02 9:30 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2001-12-02 18:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-12-02 17:32 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-02 20:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-12-02 18:41 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-02 19:04 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-12-02 19:17 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-02 19:42 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-12-04 10:50 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-12-05 22:18 ` Pavel Machek
2001-12-02 20:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-12-01 8:57 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-01 13:14 ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-12-01 13:38 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-01 15:15 ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-12-01 6:31 ` Stephen Satchell
2001-12-01 7:07 ` Zilvinas Valinskas
2001-12-01 22:15 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-12-01 4:44 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-12-01 23:18 ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-02 20:25 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-02 23:51 ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-03 0:55 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-03 12:04 ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-12-03 13:20 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-07 18:15 ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-12-04 11:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-12-03 1:34 ` David L. Parsley
2001-12-03 3:06 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-04 1:39 ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-04 22:25 ` Ragnar Hojland Espinosa
2001-12-04 18:38 ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-12-01 5:54 ` Stephen Satchell
2001-12-01 11:18 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-01 18:05 ` Ingo Oeser
2001-12-01 18:21 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-02 16:25 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-12-02 16:54 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-12-02 19:11 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-12-01 22:20 ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-02 17:18 ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-30 22:31 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-30 18:44 ` Henning Schmiedehausen
2001-11-30 17:53 ` Henning Schmiedehausen
2001-11-30 18:07 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-01 4:12 ` Mike Fedyk
2001-12-01 5:14 ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-06 0:13 ` Rusty Russell
2001-11-30 17:31 ` Alan Cox
2001-11-30 17:55 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-30 18:07 ` Henning Schmiedehausen
2001-12-02 20:13 ` Pavel Machek
2001-12-02 21:28 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-02 21:30 ` Dave Jones
2001-12-01 0:12 ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-30 18:37 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-12-01 1:17 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-01 8:54 ` Gérard Roudier
2001-12-01 12:19 ` Clean up drivers/scsi (was: Coding style - a non-issue) Keith Owens
2001-12-02 23:21 ` Coding style - a non-issue David S. Miller
2001-12-02 23:27 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-04 17:18 ` Gérard Roudier
2001-12-04 17:23 ` Gérard Roudier
2001-12-04 22:28 ` David S. Miller
2001-11-30 17:20 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-30 17:50 ` Russell King
2001-11-30 17:49 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-30 18:03 ` Russell King
2001-11-30 18:31 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-30 17:53 ` Alan Cox
2001-11-30 17:42 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-30 18:00 ` Russell King
2001-11-30 17:55 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-30 18:40 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2001-11-30 18:46 ` Russell King
2001-11-30 17:54 ` antirez
2001-11-30 18:20 ` Paul G. Allen
2001-11-30 18:47 ` antirez
2001-11-30 20:20 ` Paul G. Allen
2001-11-30 19:00 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-11-30 19:41 ` John Kodis
2001-11-30 20:27 ` Paul G. Allen
2001-12-01 21:52 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-12-01 23:22 ` john slee
2001-12-01 23:57 ` Paul G. Allen
2001-12-02 20:03 ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-29 0:50 ` David S. Miller
2001-11-29 1:07 ` Petko Manolov
2001-11-29 1:56 ` Matthias Andree
2001-11-30 18:15 ` Paul G. Allen
2001-11-30 18:29 ` John H. Robinson, IV
2001-11-30 18:39 ` Paul G. Allen
2001-11-30 18:38 ` Nestor Florez
2001-11-30 18:56 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-11-30 20:06 ` Paul G. Allen
2001-11-30 20:18 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-12-01 17:53 ` David Weinehall
2001-12-01 21:29 ` Paul G. Allen
2001-12-02 2:03 ` Tracy R Reed
2001-12-05 3:42 ` Mike Fedyk
2001-11-30 20:41 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-01 21:45 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-11-30 20:48 ` Andrew Morton
2001-11-30 23:17 ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-01 0:28 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-01 0:22 ` Rik van Riel
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-01-28 14:10 A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin Rob Landley
2002-01-29 0:44 ` Matthew D. Pitts
2002-01-29 1:37 ` Francesco Munda
2002-01-29 3:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-29 4:47 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-29 6:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-29 6:12 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-29 6:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-29 11:45 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-01-29 14:26 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-29 17:37 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2002-01-29 19:23 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-29 19:33 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-29 23:43 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 13:19 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-01-29 13:40 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-29 23:51 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-30 1:33 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-30 1:46 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 3:45 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-30 10:39 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-30 11:21 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-30 12:39 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-30 13:28 ` Wanted: Volunteer to code a Patchbot Daniel Phillips
2002-01-30 15:11 ` Rasmus Andersen
2002-01-30 15:28 ` Rasmus Andersen
2002-01-30 15:46 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-31 0:49 ` Stuart Young
2002-01-31 1:26 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-31 1:39 ` Stuart Young
2002-01-31 13:51 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-31 15:29 ` Patrick Mauritz
2002-01-31 16:31 ` Jan Harkes
2002-01-31 22:05 ` Horst von Brand
2002-02-01 8:05 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-01 1:03 ` Stuart Young
2002-01-30 13:45 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-30 13:45 ` Tim Waugh
2002-01-30 17:46 ` Patrick Mochel
2002-01-30 18:33 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-03 18:54 ` Peter C. Norton
2002-02-03 23:40 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 7:33 ` A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin Rob Landley
2002-01-29 7:52 ` Greg KH
2002-01-29 22:14 ` MAINTANIANCE [was Re: A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin] James Simmons
2002-01-29 14:24 ` A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin Jeff Garzik
2002-01-29 7:10 ` Stuart Young
2002-01-29 7:53 ` Nix N. Nix
2002-01-29 19:24 ` Patrick Mochel
2002-01-29 7:38 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 8:39 ` George Bonser
2002-01-29 11:29 ` Xavier Bestel
2002-01-29 13:54 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-29 12:31 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 14:52 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-29 22:04 ` Ville Herva
2002-01-29 22:07 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 22:24 ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-30 4:37 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-30 7:20 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-30 7:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 8:11 ` Greg KH
2002-01-30 9:22 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-30 15:16 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-30 10:14 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-30 15:49 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 15:42 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-30 16:03 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 16:07 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-30 16:11 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 16:18 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-30 16:37 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 16:47 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-30 20:50 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-01-31 0:28 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-30 16:14 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-30 16:23 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-30 16:32 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 16:43 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-30 16:59 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 18:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-30 16:43 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 16:59 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-30 18:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-30 17:25 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 18:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 19:38 ` Georg Nikodym
2002-01-30 20:45 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-30 21:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 21:57 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 21:58 ` Eli Carter
2002-01-30 22:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 22:36 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 23:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-31 13:00 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-30 23:18 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-31 1:57 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-31 3:12 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-31 3:51 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-31 4:58 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-31 5:08 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-31 6:02 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-31 6:15 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-31 6:23 ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-01-31 6:37 ` Larry McVoy
[not found] ` <20020131074924.QZMB10685.femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there>
2002-01-31 17:13 ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-01-31 17:19 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-31 17:35 ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-02-01 0:29 ` Keith Owens
2002-02-01 1:04 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-01 1:37 ` Keith Owens
2002-02-01 11:11 ` Horst von Brand
2002-02-01 11:30 ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-01 11:42 ` 2.4.16 cannot connect to www.sun.com Joe Wong
2002-02-01 11:59 ` Chris Chabot
2002-02-01 12:00 ` David Woodhouse
2002-02-01 16:43 ` A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin Larry McVoy
2002-02-01 22:57 ` Keith Owens
2002-02-02 0:15 ` Bitkeeper change granularity (was Re: A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin) Rob Landley
2002-02-02 15:03 ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-02 20:07 ` Rob Landley
2002-02-01 16:38 ` A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin Larry McVoy
2002-02-01 17:12 ` Wayne Scott
2002-02-01 23:45 ` Bitkeeper change granularity (was Re: A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin) Rob Landley
2002-02-02 1:19 ` Charles Cazabon
2002-02-02 5:50 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-02 15:12 ` Charles Cazabon
2002-02-02 5:49 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-02 15:56 ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-01 20:47 ` Rob Landley
2002-02-02 6:17 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-03 13:03 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-02-01 10:55 ` A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin Nix N. Nix
2002-01-31 5:16 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-31 5:46 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-31 5:55 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-31 6:03 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-31 6:07 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-31 6:33 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-30 23:57 ` Kenneth Johansson
[not found] ` <m3d6zraqn1.fsf@linux.local>
2002-01-31 15:12 ` Tom Rini
2002-02-12 22:59 ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-12 23:14 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-13 2:08 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-13 12:07 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-02-13 16:55 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-22 16:06 ` Hans Reiser
2002-02-23 5:00 ` Mark Hahn
2002-02-25 17:13 ` Randy.Dunlap
2002-03-01 19:29 ` Rob Landley
2002-03-01 19:35 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-03-01 19:03 ` Rob Landley
2002-03-01 11:05 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-30 16:47 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-30 16:59 ` Josh MacDonald
2002-01-30 17:04 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 17:41 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-01-30 18:51 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-31 1:43 ` Val Henson
2002-01-30 7:58 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-30 8:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 8:36 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-30 9:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 10:05 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-30 10:06 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-30 10:18 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 17:11 ` Greg KH
2002-01-30 18:35 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-30 18:29 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 21:15 ` Erik Andersen
2002-01-30 21:14 ` Erik Andersen
2002-01-30 23:06 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-30 23:48 ` Erik Andersen
2002-01-31 0:03 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-01-31 0:13 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-31 0:33 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-31 1:07 ` [PATCH] fix for 2.4.18-pre7 SCSI namespace conflict Erik Andersen
2002-01-30 17:20 ` A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 22:06 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-01-31 12:14 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-01-31 13:34 ` Ian Molton
2002-01-31 14:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-31 12:27 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-31 15:01 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-31 12:28 ` David Weinehall
2002-01-31 12:52 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-01-31 14:31 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-31 12:56 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-01-31 15:07 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-31 13:45 ` Russell King
2002-01-31 21:08 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-01-30 12:29 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-30 8:36 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-30 8:39 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-30 12:41 ` Kees Bakker, Kees Bakker
2002-01-30 14:15 ` Charles Cazabon
2002-01-30 7:41 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-30 7:58 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-30 8:09 ` bug tracking (was Re: A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin) Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 9:18 ` Chris Funderburg
2002-01-30 15:36 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-29 13:22 ` A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin Alan Cox
2002-01-29 15:29 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-29 16:10 ` Dave McCracken
2002-01-29 18:46 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-30 15:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-29 19:51 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-01-30 2:46 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-30 11:57 ` Denis Vlasenko
2002-01-30 8:29 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 9:38 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-30 9:43 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 19:40 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-30 19:42 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 9:59 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-29 22:35 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-01-30 15:48 ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2002-01-29 5:01 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-29 11:49 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-01-29 13:13 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-01-29 13:43 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-31 11:24 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-01-31 11:53 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-31 11:20 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-01-29 14:33 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-29 13:14 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-01 13:38 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-02-01 11:53 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-01-29 13:14 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-29 15:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-29 13:40 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-29 13:47 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-30 11:42 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-01-29 16:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-29 14:27 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-29 14:43 ` Russell King
2002-01-30 9:44 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-30 10:14 ` Russell King
2002-01-29 16:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-29 14:54 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-29 16:41 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-29 15:35 ` Eli Carter
2002-01-29 16:47 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-29 14:53 ` Patrick Mauritz
2002-01-29 20:03 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-01-30 3:15 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-01-30 6:30 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-01-29 16:53 ` update to MAINTAINERS list Andreas Dilger
2002-01-29 20:10 ` A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin toon
2002-01-30 9:40 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-29 22:57 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-29 23:47 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-30 5:57 ` Mark Hahn
2002-01-29 22:45 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-01-29 23:14 ` Craig Christophel
2002-01-30 4:26 ` Shawn
2002-01-29 14:30 ` Skip Ford
2002-01-29 17:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-29 17:51 ` Michael Sterrett -Mr. Bones.-
2002-01-29 23:34 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-29 23:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 0:07 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-30 0:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 0:52 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-30 0:23 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-01-30 0:27 ` Chris Ricker
2002-01-30 0:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 1:38 ` Miles Lane
2002-01-30 8:06 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-30 8:47 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 9:03 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 9:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 10:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 17:24 ` real BK usage (was: A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin) Andreas Dilger
2002-01-30 17:34 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 20:03 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-01-31 17:11 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-31 19:01 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-31 21:56 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-01-30 17:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 10:25 ` A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin Momchil Velikov
2002-01-30 10:32 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-05 1:03 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-04-05 1:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-04 16:40 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-05 2:19 ` patch-2.4.19-pre5-ac2 Jonathan A. Davis
2002-04-05 6:57 ` patch-2.4.19-pre5-ac2 Peter Horton
2002-04-05 10:18 ` patch-2.4.19-pre5-ac2 Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-04-05 10:12 ` A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-01-30 12:59 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-30 15:31 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-30 17:29 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-30 17:59 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 16:06 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 16:34 ` Jochen Friedrich
2002-01-30 16:39 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 18:03 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 20:06 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-30 20:17 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 21:02 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-30 21:18 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 22:13 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-30 22:25 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 22:36 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-30 2:45 ` Chris Ricker
2002-01-30 2:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 4:14 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 12:49 ` Matthew D. Pitts
2002-01-30 13:26 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-30 19:11 ` Juan Quintela
2002-01-30 21:03 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-30 22:03 ` Francois Romieu
2002-01-30 22:20 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-30 22:39 ` Jesse Pollard
2002-01-31 2:39 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-31 3:29 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-31 3:40 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-31 5:32 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-31 5:57 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-31 6:03 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-31 6:27 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-31 6:43 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-31 3:41 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-31 3:54 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-31 14:28 ` [lkml] " Ian Soboroff
2002-02-01 5:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-02-01 5:48 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-01 19:11 ` Craig Schlenter
2002-01-31 16:40 ` Jesse Pollard
2002-01-30 9:19 ` Russell King
2002-01-30 9:44 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 19:55 ` Jacob Luna Lundberg
2002-01-30 20:00 ` Russell King
2002-01-30 21:56 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-01-31 2:45 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-30 21:57 ` Karl
2002-01-30 1:40 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-30 11:56 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-01-30 13:13 ` Daniel Egger
2002-01-30 16:26 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-01-31 1:16 ` Stuart Young
2002-01-31 1:42 ` David Lang
2002-01-30 0:08 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-30 4:36 ` Shawn
2002-01-29 23:12 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-29 22:31 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-01-30 9:50 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-30 8:03 ` Francesco Munda
2002-01-30 8:39 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-03 1:47 ` Francesco Munda
2002-02-13 12:10 ` PATCH 2.5.4 i810_audio, bttv, working at all Martin Dalecki
2002-02-13 12:35 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-13 12:40 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-13 12:45 ` David S. Miller
2002-02-13 12:55 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-13 12:47 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-13 13:10 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-18 17:36 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-02-13 18:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-02-13 16:49 ` David S. Miller
2002-02-13 16:55 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-13 17:10 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-13 19:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-02-13 17:38 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-13 17:01 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-13 18:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-02-13 17:19 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-14 9:27 ` Pavel Machek
2002-02-15 2:11 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-15 3:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-02-15 7:38 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-25 16:24 ` Olaf Titz
2002-02-15 8:34 ` PATCH 2.5.5-pre1 dead arrays Martin Dalecki
2002-02-13 13:04 ` PATCH 2.5.4 i810_audio, bttv, working at all Alan Cox
2002-01-29 3:42 ` A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin Rob Landley
2002-01-29 12:22 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-29 12:23 ` Padraig Brady
2002-01-30 1:32 ` Francesco Munda
2002-01-29 5:51 ` Andrew Pimlott
2002-01-29 8:00 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 13:06 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-29 14:40 ` Andrew Pimlott
2002-01-29 15:10 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-29 19:10 ` John Alvord
2002-01-29 9:55 ` Matthias Andree
2002-01-29 10:21 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 10:23 ` Jim McDonald
2002-01-29 15:51 ` Eli Carter
2002-01-30 0:40 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 19:46 ` Jordan Mendelson
2002-01-29 22:23 ` Ragnar Hojland Espinosa
2001-12-01 18:38 Linux/Pro [was Re: Coding style - a non-issue] Ricardo Galli
2001-12-01 18:42 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-01 19:17 ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-05-05 16:58 Wow! Is memory ever cheap! Larry McVoy
2001-05-05 17:20 ` Matthew Jacob
2001-05-06 2:20 ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-05-06 2:45 ` Larry McVoy
2001-05-07 18:47 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-07 18:56 ` Larry McVoy
2001-05-07 19:01 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-07 19:18 ` Larry McVoy
2001-05-07 19:21 ` H. Peter Anvin
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2001-05-07 19:33 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-07 19:44 ` Larry McVoy
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2001-05-07 22:07 ` Ben Ford
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2001-05-09 5:36 ` Dan Hollis
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