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From: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@caldera.de>, Keith Owens <kaos@ocs.com.au>,
	kbuild-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	torvalds@transmeta.com
Subject: Re: [kbuild-devel] Converting the 2.5 kernel to kbuild 2.5
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 11:11:15 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20011204111115.A15160@thyrsus.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1861.1007341572@kao2.melbourne.sgi.com> <20011204131136.B6051@caldera.de> <20011204072808.A11867@thyrsus.com> <20011204133932.A8805@caldera.de> <20011204074815.A12231@thyrsus.com> <20011204140050.A10691@caldera.de> <20011204081640.A12658@thyrsus.com> <20011204142958.A14069@caldera.de>
In-Reply-To: <20011204142958.A14069@caldera.de>; from hch@caldera.de on Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 02:29:58PM +0100

Christoph Hellwig <hch@caldera.de>:
> With mconfig [side-effect chasing] can be implemented easily [...]
> One toplevel config file can be implemented in CML1 easily,

You can spend all week telling us how easy it would be to implement
all the CML2 benefits that CML1 doesn't have, if you like -- but one
of the rules of this game is that an ounce of working code beats a
pound of handwaving.

When you've shown the list the bundle of CML1 implementation and 
rulesfile patches that brings CML1 up to snuff, *then* you'll have
grounds to argue that the switch to CML2 gains nothing.  

So don't talk about it, *do it*!  Whether you succeed or fail, one of
the two of us will get a valuable education from your attempt.  And
until you succeed or fail, arguing is just wasting everyone else's time.
-- 
		<a href="http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/">Eric S. Raymond</a>

Courage is resistance of fear, mastery of fear, not absence of fear.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-12-04 16:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 135+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-12-03  1:06 Converting the 2.5 kernel to kbuild 2.5 Keith Owens
2001-12-03  1:19 ` [kbuild-devel] " Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-03  2:03   ` Keith Owens
2001-12-04  0:22     ` Dave Jones
2001-12-04  0:52       ` Keith Owens
2001-12-04 11:04 ` David Woodhouse
2001-12-04 11:52   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 12:22     ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 12:21       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-05 11:15         ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-04 12:19   ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 12:11 ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-12-04 12:28   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 12:39     ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-12-04 12:48       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 13:00         ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-12-04 13:16           ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 13:29             ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-12-04 15:40               ` Tom Rini
2001-12-04 16:11               ` Eric S. Raymond [this message]
2001-12-04 16:33               ` Matthias Andree
2001-12-04 17:03                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 17:38                   ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2001-12-04 17:36                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 19:03                       ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-04 19:04                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 17:43                   ` Dave Jones
2001-12-04 19:48                     ` David Weinehall
2001-12-04 19:53                       ` Dave Jones
2001-12-04 20:03                         ` David Weinehall
2001-12-04 19:57                     ` Mike Castle
2001-12-04 19:59                     ` Edward Muller
2001-12-04 20:11                       ` Dave Jones
2001-12-04 20:20                       ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 21:03                         ` Edward Muller
2001-12-04 22:10                         ` Trevor Smith
2001-12-04 22:26                           ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 20:20                     ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-12-05  3:14                       ` John Cowan
2001-12-05  4:36                         ` Mike Fedyk
2001-12-05 14:54                       ` Rob Landley
2001-12-05 14:51                     ` Rob Landley
2001-12-06  0:37                       ` Dave Jones
2001-12-06 16:49                       ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-06  9:57                         ` Rob Landley
2001-12-06 16:59                         ` John Stoffel
2001-12-06 17:25                           ` Alan Cox
2001-12-06 10:03                             ` Rob Landley
2001-12-07  0:06                               ` Keith Owens
2001-12-07  0:57                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-06 20:24                                 ` [kbuild-devel] Converting the 2.4 " Rob Landley
2001-12-07  1:44                                 ` [kbuild-devel] Converting the 2.5 " Tom Rini
2001-12-06 18:30                             ` John Stoffel
2001-12-06 18:51                               ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-06 18:59                                 ` David Weinehall
2001-12-06 19:14                                 ` Matthias Andree
2001-12-06 22:17                                 ` John Cowan
2001-12-07 14:44                                   ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-07 15:56                                     ` John Alvord
2001-12-10  9:55                                     ` Matthias Andree
2001-12-07 18:12                                   ` Kai Henningsen
2001-12-07  0:58                                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-06 18:07                           ` Martin Dalecki
2001-12-06 18:22                             ` David Weinehall
2001-12-06 19:10                         ` Matthias Andree
2001-12-04 17:44                   ` Alan Cox
2001-12-05  1:59                     ` Cameron Simpson
2001-12-05  8:29                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-05 10:17                         ` CML2 with python1 Jan Harkes
2001-12-12  7:17                           ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-14 12:50                             ` Pavel Machek
2001-12-04 17:15                 ` [kbuild-devel] Converting the 2.5 kernel to kbuild 2.5 Alan Cox
2001-12-04 17:19                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 17:30                     ` Martin Dalecki
2001-12-04 17:43                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-12-04 17:42                     ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 17:38                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 18:01                         ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 18:47                           ` Robert Love
2001-12-04 19:28                         ` Bernhard Rosenkraenzer
2001-12-04 17:20                   ` Matthias Andree
2001-12-04 17:27                   ` Martin Dalecki
2001-12-04 18:13                     ` Tom Rini
2001-12-04 18:26                       ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 18:27                         ` Tom Rini
2001-12-04 19:19                           ` Stefan Smietanowski
2001-12-04 19:24                             ` Tom Rini
2001-12-05 11:06                       ` Martin Dalecki
2001-12-04 16:41               ` David Woodhouse
2001-12-04 16:52                 ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2001-12-04 17:06                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 17:15                   ` David Woodhouse
2001-12-04 17:50                   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-05  1:17                     ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-04 17:02                 ` David Woodhouse
2001-12-04 17:07                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 17:08                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 17:19                 ` David Woodhouse
2001-12-04 17:34                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 16:31   ` John Stoffel
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-12-04 17:08 RaúlNúñez de Arenas Coronado
2001-12-04 18:17 ` Jakob Kemi
2001-12-04 18:22 ` Tom Rini
2001-12-04 18:36   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-05  2:30   ` Greg Banks
2001-12-05 10:02     ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 18:46 ` David Weinehall
2001-12-04 18:43   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 19:27     ` David Weinehall
2001-12-05  1:17 ` Matthias Andree
2001-12-07  5:22 ` Stevie O
2001-12-04 17:11 Wayne.Brown
2001-12-04 17:44 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 17:46 ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2001-12-04 18:21   ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 18:24     ` Tom Rini
2001-12-04 23:00     ` Keith Owens
2001-12-04 23:05       ` David Weinehall
2001-12-04 23:21         ` Keith Owens
2001-12-04 17:18 Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2001-12-04 17:30 ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-12-05  3:21   ` Mike Fedyk
2001-12-04 18:30 RaúlNúñez de Arenas Coronado
2001-12-04 18:41 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 19:50 ` Edward Muller
2001-12-04 20:07   ` Robert Love
2001-12-04 21:23     ` Edward Muller
2001-12-05  1:26 ` Matthias Andree
2001-12-05 16:14 ` Rob Landley
2001-12-06  0:37   ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 18:38 Wayne.Brown
2001-12-04 18:50 RaúlNúñez de Arenas Coronado
2001-12-04 18:50 ` Tom Rini
2001-12-05  1:29 ` Matthias Andree
2001-12-04 19:06 RaúlNúñez de Arenas Coronado

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