From: David Weinehall <tao@acc.umu.se>
To: "RaúlNúñez de Arenas Coronado" <raul@viadomus.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
matthias.andree@stud.uni-dortmund.de, esr@thyrsus.com,
hch@caldera.de, kaos@ocs.com.au,
kbuild-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, torvalds@transmeta.com
Subject: Re: [kbuild-devel] Converting the 2.5 kernel to kbuild 2.5
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 19:46:52 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20011204194652.F360@khan.acc.umu.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E16BJ3x-0001qq-00@DervishD.viadomus.com>
In-Reply-To: <E16BJ3x-0001qq-00@DervishD.viadomus.com>; from raul@viadomus.com on Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 06:08:57PM +0100
On Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 06:08:57PM +0100, RaúlNúñez de Arenas Coronado wrote:
> Hi Matthias :)
>
> >Creating a dependency on Python? Is a non-issue.
>
> Maybe for you. For me it *is* an issue. I don't like more and
> more dependencies for the kernel. I mean, if I can drop kbuild and
> keep on building the kernel with the old good 'make config' I won't
> worry, but otherwise I don't think that kernel building depends on
> something like Python.
>
> Why must I install Python in order to compile the kernel? I don't
> understand this. I think there are better alternatives, but kbuild
> seems to be imposed any way.
>
> >You don't make the pen yourself when writing a letter either.
>
> I don't like to be forced in a particular pen, that's the reason
> why I use and develop for linux.
>
> >What are the precise issues with Python? Just claiming it is an
> >issue is not useful for discussing this. Archive pointers are
> >welcome.
>
> Well, let's start writing kernel drivers with Python, Perl, PHP,
> awk, etc... And, why not, C++, Ada, Modula, etc...
Noone's suggested writing kernel-drivers in anything but a combination
of C and assembler (with as little asm as possible), apart from some
heretics that suggested usage of C++ in the kernel...
This only involves usage of Python2 for configuring your kernel.
> The kernel should depend just on the compiler and assembler, IMHO.
Yeah, let's lose the dependencies on perl, make, awk, sed, ld, ar,
nm, strip, objcopy, objdump, depmod, grep, xargs, find, gzip,
wish, tcl/tk and possibly others. That'd surely shave a lot of diskspace
off my buildsystem. It's not like I use any of them for anything else...
Hey, lets lose C and ASM too, and create all your binaries by
writing hexvalues into a file.
/David Weinehall
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// David Weinehall <tao@acc.umu.se> /> Northern lights wander \\
// Maintainer of the v2.0 kernel // Dance across the winter sky //
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Thread overview: 128+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-12-04 17:08 [kbuild-devel] Converting the 2.5 kernel to kbuild 2.5 RaúlNúñez de Arenas Coronado
2001-12-04 18:17 ` Jakob Kemi
2001-12-04 18:22 ` Tom Rini
2001-12-04 18:36 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-05 2:30 ` Greg Banks
2001-12-05 10:02 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 18:46 ` David Weinehall [this message]
2001-12-04 18:43 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 19:27 ` David Weinehall
2001-12-05 1:17 ` Matthias Andree
2001-12-07 5:22 ` Stevie O
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2001-12-04 19:06 RaúlNúñez de Arenas Coronado
2001-12-04 18:50 RaúlNúñez de Arenas Coronado
2001-12-04 18:50 ` Tom Rini
2001-12-05 1:29 ` Matthias Andree
2001-12-04 18:38 Wayne.Brown
2001-12-04 18:30 RaúlNúñez de Arenas Coronado
2001-12-04 18:41 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 19:50 ` Edward Muller
2001-12-04 20:07 ` Robert Love
2001-12-04 21:23 ` Edward Muller
2001-12-05 1:26 ` Matthias Andree
2001-12-05 16:14 ` Rob Landley
2001-12-06 0:37 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 17:18 Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2001-12-04 17:30 ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-12-05 3:21 ` Mike Fedyk
2001-12-04 17:11 Wayne.Brown
2001-12-04 17:44 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 17:46 ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2001-12-04 18:21 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 18:24 ` Tom Rini
2001-12-04 23:00 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-04 23:05 ` David Weinehall
2001-12-04 23:21 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-03 1:06 Keith Owens
2001-12-03 1:19 ` [kbuild-devel] " Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-03 2:03 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-04 0:22 ` Dave Jones
2001-12-04 0:52 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-04 11:04 ` David Woodhouse
2001-12-04 11:52 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 12:22 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 12:21 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-05 11:15 ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-04 12:19 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 12:11 ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-12-04 12:28 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 12:39 ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-12-04 12:48 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 13:00 ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-12-04 13:16 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 13:29 ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-12-04 15:40 ` Tom Rini
2001-12-04 16:11 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 16:33 ` Matthias Andree
2001-12-04 17:03 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 17:38 ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2001-12-04 17:36 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 19:03 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-04 19:04 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 17:43 ` Dave Jones
2001-12-04 19:48 ` David Weinehall
2001-12-04 19:53 ` Dave Jones
2001-12-04 20:03 ` David Weinehall
2001-12-04 19:57 ` Mike Castle
2001-12-04 19:59 ` Edward Muller
2001-12-04 20:11 ` Dave Jones
2001-12-04 20:20 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 21:03 ` Edward Muller
2001-12-04 22:10 ` Trevor Smith
2001-12-04 22:26 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 20:20 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-12-05 3:14 ` John Cowan
2001-12-05 4:36 ` Mike Fedyk
2001-12-05 14:54 ` Rob Landley
2001-12-05 14:51 ` Rob Landley
2001-12-06 0:37 ` Dave Jones
2001-12-06 16:49 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-06 9:57 ` Rob Landley
2001-12-06 16:59 ` John Stoffel
2001-12-06 17:25 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-06 10:03 ` Rob Landley
2001-12-07 0:06 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-07 0:57 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-07 1:44 ` Tom Rini
2001-12-06 18:30 ` John Stoffel
2001-12-06 18:51 ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-06 18:59 ` David Weinehall
2001-12-06 19:14 ` Matthias Andree
2001-12-06 22:17 ` John Cowan
2001-12-07 14:44 ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-07 15:56 ` John Alvord
2001-12-10 9:55 ` Matthias Andree
2001-12-07 18:12 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-12-07 0:58 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-06 18:07 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-12-06 18:22 ` David Weinehall
2001-12-06 19:10 ` Matthias Andree
2001-12-04 17:44 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 17:15 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 17:19 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 17:30 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-12-04 17:43 ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-12-04 17:42 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 17:38 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 18:01 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 18:47 ` Robert Love
2001-12-04 19:28 ` Bernhard Rosenkraenzer
2001-12-04 17:20 ` Matthias Andree
2001-12-04 17:27 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-12-04 18:13 ` Tom Rini
2001-12-04 18:26 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 18:27 ` Tom Rini
2001-12-04 19:19 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2001-12-04 19:24 ` Tom Rini
2001-12-05 11:06 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-12-04 16:41 ` David Woodhouse
2001-12-04 16:52 ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2001-12-04 17:06 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 17:15 ` David Woodhouse
2001-12-04 17:50 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-05 1:17 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-04 17:02 ` David Woodhouse
2001-12-04 17:07 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 17:08 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 17:19 ` David Woodhouse
2001-12-04 17:34 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-04 16:31 ` John Stoffel
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