From: Stephan von Krawczynski <skraw@ithnet.com>
To: erich@uruk.org
Cc: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
jmerkey@timpanogas.org
Subject: Re: Loadable drivers [was SMP/cc Cluster description ]
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 17:34:55 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20011206173455.104b6a02.skraw@ithnet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E16BjQJ-0005EA-00@trillium-hollow.org>
In-Reply-To: <20011205212844.451f8781.skraw@ithnet.com> <E16BjQJ-0005EA-00@trillium-hollow.org>
On Wed, 05 Dec 2001 13:17:47 -0800
erich@uruk.org wrote:
> Stephan von Krawczynski <skraw@ithnet.com> wrote:
> > You can only be plain kidding with this statement. If you split the
> > drivers from the rest of the kernel, you managed to get rid of this
> > nice (yes, I really meant nice) monolithic design, where I only need
> > a simple config file to _update_ to a new kernel revision (_up_, not
> > _down_) and be happy (including all the drivers).
>
> Hmm. There is little fundamentally incompatible with having splits in
> the core kernel and sets of drivers, and getting most of what you want
> here.
There is. You double the administrational work. Most updates are performed
because you want the latest bugfixes. If you get more bugfixes than you
intended - lucky.
Currently you draw the latest kernel-tree (or the latest _you_ like to use),
use your old .config and it works out - as long as you do not use closed-source
drivers.
If you split things up, you draw _two_ archives, compile and install both.
> However, the comment about being "happy (including all the drivers)"
> seems a bit naive in my experience. That makes the assumption that the
> drivers in the new/old/whatever kernel you change to are necessarily of
> the same caliber as the ones you came from, and that is not always true
> by any means.
Oops. Then you have a severe problem in understanding how linux _should_ be
worked with. Obviously you can go and buy some distribution and it may work out
pretty well. But being a serious administrator you _will_ do kernel updates
apart from the distro (sooner or later). If there are drivers in a newer kernel
release, that do not work any longer, compared to an older release, you should
say so. Best place would be the listed maintainer. Because if it doesn't do the
job for your configuration any longer, chances are high others were hit, too.
The maintainer cannot know, if you do not tell him.
I guess we have the mutual agreement here, that maintained drivers should get
better not worse through the revisions. This means configurations once
successful are not meant to break later on.
This basically is what I intended to say with "being happy" :-)
> Also, in a world where one values stability, being able to rev
> backward is quite important also. The lack of software package tools
> like rpm being able to "downgrade" software easily is a serious one in
> my mind. What do you do when you install something major and it
> breaks, but it has interdependencies on multiple other things?
This isn't kernel-related, is it? You can always boot the previous kernel (and
drivers), if you updated correctly. I am talking about revision-updates, not
major updates (like from 2.0 to 2.2). Major update will break mostly. But -
frankly spoken - it should. If you are using a bunch of very old binaries, you
should be driven to update these anyway.
> I don't object to producing well-tested full sets of driver source that
> go with kernel versions, I just don't want them to be tied if I have
> a need to pull something apart (a driver from one version and from
> another are the only ones that run stably), which frankly happens too
> often for my taste. Even if it didn't I'd still want it as much as
> possibly for the fall-back options it provides.
Can you give a striking example for this? (old driver ok, new driver broken,
both included in kernel releases)
> I didn't go far enough with my comment. I should have said that the
> lack of a common driver framework base that works between *all* (or nearly
> all, some obsolescence is ok) their Windows versions is a problem.
Which means: it does not work there.
> In the consumer line (win3.1/95/98/me) where they were keeping very good
> compatibility across some kinds of drivers (it had it's problems, to be
> sure), they were trying the hardest because they recognized that the
> most important thing was to just have things work in the first place.
I honour they were _trying_, only it was not successful. I wrote drivers for
all noted versions above and can tell you: it is a _mess_.
> NOTE: I'm not endorsing their overall API convenience (driver or
> Win16/Win32), stability, suitability, merchantability, whatever, I'm
> just talking about drivers and their distribution model at the moment.
Ok, lets put it this way: they use a completely split up model of driver
maintenance to get the most out of the market (anybody can release anything at
anytime and any quality and interoperability), and therefore everything tends
to be severly broken and complex in administration. You have to draw the latest
drivers for your graphics card, scsi card, scanner, printer, USB equipment,
even monitor from the respective source (manufacturer), install it seperately
and pray it does not shoot your last driver installation from different
hardware component - which it does in a significant percentage. And if you
upgrade from (e.g.) win95 to win98, you will draw all drivers again and
completely reinstall everything.
To tell the pure truth: nobody cares about anything on w*indoze.
> > Reading between your lines, I can well see that you are most probably
> > talking about closed-source linux-drivers breaking with permanently
> > released new kernel revisions. But, in fact, this is the closed-source
> > phenomenon, and _not_ linux.
>
> No, though I don't object to closed-source in general per se. I hate it
> for myself and businesses I've worked for because I like to be able to
> fix/improve/whatever code, but I recognize that the majority of users
> out there would never touch code.
They _should_ not do that. And they _need_ not do that today. The distros
really got very far on the path to the real lusers, that don't know much and
don't want to learn anything. This is ok.
I mean have you had a look at the latest distros, I found it amazing how far
things have already come. You can install client systems under linux in 20% of
the time you would need for _any_ windows.
> My general feeling is that binary drivers are ok/should be supported well
> across versions since that is the thing you load in at boot/bring-system-
> up time. Having separate (and usually many) step(s) to getting a driver
> and having it load on your system is a major and I'm thinking artificial
> pain.
I have learned something over the recent years: I guess RMS pointed in the
right direction. I _don't_ think binary drivers are ok. I want to control my
environment, and don't let _anybody_ control it _for_ me. And if something goes
wrong, I have a look. And if I am too dumb, I can ask somebody who isn't. And
there may be a lot of those.
> In general my argument stems from the same basis that the kernel/user-level
> interface does: keeping interfaces stable and removing packaging/bundling
> requirements across major boundaries almost always yield a win somewhere.
Carl Sagan "The Demon Haunted World":
"If there is a chain of argument every link in the chain must work."
> In the case of MS and drivers, the win they have in convenience to end-users
> of all types, and the ability to mix and match drivers forward or backward
> up to some limitations in API revisions.
Ah, yes. Indeed I am one of those thinking that a driver should _work_, I do
not measure its quality on the number of versions available - and loadable in
my environment. If I have to this, the driver is _broken_.
But yes, you are right: 99% of all w-users obviously think internet is designed
for downloading the latest w-drivers, and it is a definitive must to have all
revisions to find one working.
> > I tend to believe we could just wait another two MS cycles to have even
> > the biggest MS-fans converted to kernel-hackers, only because of being
> > real fed up with the brilliant, long term driver design.
>
> Most people will never touch code or a compiler, and just want a simple
> obvious formula or even to have the system automagically do the Right
> Things for you. Even many programmers have limitations of curiousity or
> energy, and it isn't a bad thing to organize even core system things to
> be easy.
I talked about the developers, but even talking about users, I do believe that
...
> MS may be stupid/annoying in other ways, but they know this and have
> moved toward it, albeit sluggishly at times.
... it is not their ultimate goal to let MS control their lives. You think this
is over-estimation? They are already handing out electronic _passports_, sorry,
but in my understanding of democracy this is not done by commercial companies.
This is what a state is all about - knowing and identifying its citizens - and
no one _else_.
MS is not stupid. I won't tell you what it is though, find out yourself.
Regards,
Stephan
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2001-11-28 23:29 Coding style - a non-issue Peter Waltenberg
2001-11-28 23:40 ` Russell King
2001-11-28 23:48 ` Alan Cox
2001-11-28 23:48 ` Robert Love
2001-11-29 0:17 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-29 0:23 ` Larry McVoy
2001-11-29 0:57 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-11-30 10:00 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-11-30 15:26 ` Larry McVoy
2001-11-30 16:39 ` Henning Schmiedehausen
2001-11-30 16:47 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-11-30 17:15 ` Henning Schmiedehausen
2001-11-30 17:23 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-30 17:27 ` Larry McVoy
2001-11-30 17:49 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-30 18:07 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-30 18:13 ` Larry McVoy
2001-11-30 18:43 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-30 19:05 ` Larry McVoy
2001-11-30 21:54 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-30 22:06 ` Larry McVoy
2001-11-30 22:17 ` Andrew Morton
2001-11-30 22:51 ` rddunlap
2001-11-30 23:57 ` Linux/Pro [was Re: Coding style - a non-issue] Larry McVoy
2001-12-01 1:13 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-12-01 1:15 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-01 2:17 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-12-01 2:14 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-01 11:41 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-01 23:05 ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-02 20:29 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-02 20:34 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-02 20:55 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-12-02 21:32 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-02 21:59 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-12-04 1:55 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-04 9:12 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-02 21:19 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-12-03 6:38 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-12-02 21:23 ` Andrew Morton
2001-12-02 21:39 ` Dave Jones
2001-12-02 22:10 ` Andrew Morton
2001-12-04 16:46 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-12-04 1:49 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-02 21:24 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-02 22:52 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-12-02 23:54 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-03 12:08 ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-04 9:36 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-12-04 15:30 ` Over 4-way systems considered harmful :-) M. Edward Borasky
2001-12-04 17:41 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-05 5:07 ` M. Edward Borasky
2001-12-05 17:43 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-12 19:17 ` Matthew Fredrickson
2001-12-05 22:45 ` Pavel Machek
2001-12-04 20:48 ` Todd Underwood
2001-12-05 4:23 ` M. Edward Borasky
2001-12-04 1:59 ` Linux/Pro [was Re: Coding style - a non-issue] Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-06 13:46 ` Pavel Machek
2001-12-06 20:50 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-06 21:09 ` Wilson
2001-12-04 9:21 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2001-12-04 9:40 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 11:55 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2001-12-03 23:01 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-12-04 3:38 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-04 6:32 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-04 9:07 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 9:27 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2001-12-04 23:02 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-04 23:31 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-04 23:37 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-05 0:36 ` SMP/cc Cluster description [was Linux/Pro] Larry McVoy
2001-12-05 2:02 ` erich
2001-12-05 9:09 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-05 18:01 ` Jeff Merkey
2001-12-05 19:40 ` Loadable drivers [was SMP/cc Cluster description ] erich
2001-12-05 20:04 ` erich
2001-12-05 20:28 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-12-05 21:17 ` erich
2001-12-06 16:34 ` Stephan von Krawczynski [this message]
2001-12-06 20:14 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-12-07 0:37 ` erich
2001-12-07 13:34 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-12-06 4:49 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-07 0:41 ` erich
2001-12-05 2:36 ` SMP/cc Cluster description David S. Miller
2001-12-05 3:23 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-05 6:05 ` David S. Miller
2001-12-05 6:51 ` Jeff Merkey
2001-12-06 2:52 ` Rusty Russell
2001-12-06 3:19 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-12-06 7:56 ` David S. Miller
2001-12-06 8:02 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-06 8:09 ` David S. Miller
2001-12-06 18:27 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2001-12-06 18:37 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2001-12-06 18:36 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-06 18:45 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2001-12-06 19:11 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-12-06 19:34 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2001-12-06 23:16 ` David Lang
2001-12-07 2:56 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2001-12-07 4:23 ` David Lang
2001-12-07 5:45 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2001-12-06 19:42 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-06 19:53 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-06 20:10 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-06 20:10 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-06 20:15 ` David S. Miller
2001-12-06 20:21 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-06 21:02 ` David S. Miller
2001-12-06 22:27 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-12-06 22:59 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-06 23:08 ` David S. Miller
2001-12-06 23:26 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-07 2:49 ` Adam Keys
2001-12-07 4:40 ` Jeff Dike
2001-12-06 21:30 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-07 8:54 ` Henning Schmiedehausen
2001-12-07 16:06 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-07 16:44 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-07 17:23 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-07 18:04 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-07 18:23 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-07 18:42 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-07 18:48 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-07 19:06 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-07 19:00 ` Daniel Bergman
2001-12-07 19:07 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-09 9:24 ` Pavel Machek
2001-12-06 22:37 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-06 22:35 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-06 22:54 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-07 2:34 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-07 2:50 ` David S. Miller
2001-12-06 22:38 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-06 22:32 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-06 22:48 ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-06 22:55 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-06 23:15 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-06 23:19 ` David S. Miller
2001-12-06 23:32 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-06 23:47 ` David S. Miller
2001-12-07 0:17 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-07 2:37 ` David S. Miller
2001-12-07 2:43 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-07 2:59 ` David S. Miller
2001-12-07 3:17 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-06 14:24 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-06 17:28 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-12-06 17:52 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-06 18:10 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-12-05 8:12 ` Momchil Velikov
2001-12-05 3:25 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-12-05 3:17 ` Stephen Satchell
2001-12-05 14:23 ` SMP/cc Cluster description [was Linux/Pro] Rob Landley
2001-12-06 0:24 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-06 0:34 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-05 20:09 ` Rob Landley
2001-12-05 19:05 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-05 19:11 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-05 14:33 ` Rob Landley
2001-12-05 21:02 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-05 21:05 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-05 21:14 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-05 21:25 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-05 21:36 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-05 21:41 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-05 22:13 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-12-05 22:12 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-05 23:37 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-12-06 9:50 ` Henning Schmiedehausen
2001-12-06 9:46 ` David Lang
2001-12-06 17:11 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-06 17:48 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2001-12-05 23:17 ` Nigel Gamble
2001-12-06 0:06 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-06 14:07 ` Linux/Pro [was Re: Coding style - a non-issue] Pavel Machek
2001-12-05 10:03 ` Your patch for CS432x sound driver szonyi calin
2001-12-01 10:09 ` Linux/Pro [was Re: Coding style - a non-issue] Alan Cox
2001-12-01 9:30 ` Gérard Roudier
2001-12-01 23:31 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-12-02 16:21 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-12-02 16:42 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-02 18:41 ` jeff millar
2001-12-01 1:18 ` Andrew Morton
2001-12-01 10:05 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-01 17:16 ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-12-02 16:19 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-12-02 16:44 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-02 17:10 ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-12-02 17:30 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-12-02 18:16 ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-12-02 18:20 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-12-02 18:26 ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-12-02 19:33 ` [MOc]cda*mirabilos
2001-12-03 0:23 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-02 18:59 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-02 18:54 ` M. Edward Borasky
2001-12-03 3:22 ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-03 14:31 ` M. Edward Borasky
2001-12-04 9:28 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 13:41 ` David Weinehall
2001-12-04 19:35 ` Dan Hollis
2001-12-04 19:57 ` David Weinehall
2001-12-04 19:34 ` Dan Hollis
2001-12-04 22:22 ` Pavel Machek
2001-12-06 0:20 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-01 1:21 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-12-01 5:01 ` Mike Fedyk
2001-12-01 22:05 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-12-05 7:05 ` Mike Fedyk
2001-12-01 16:04 ` Mark Frazer
2001-12-01 16:10 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-01 5:50 ` Mike Fedyk
2001-12-01 0:35 ` Coding style - a non-issue Rik van Riel
2001-12-01 0:44 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-01 0:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-01 1:09 ` Mike Castle
2001-12-01 1:34 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-12-01 16:05 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-12-01 16:27 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-01 18:54 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-01 1:15 ` Petko Manolov
2001-12-01 2:02 ` Tim Hockin
2001-12-01 2:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-01 23:11 ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-01 3:02 ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-12-01 3:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-01 3:30 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-01 3:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-01 4:10 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-01 4:44 ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-12-01 5:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-01 6:13 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-01 20:17 ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-12-01 20:30 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-01 12:34 ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-12-01 22:23 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-12-02 0:43 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-12-02 9:30 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2001-12-02 18:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-12-02 17:32 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-02 20:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-12-02 18:41 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-02 19:04 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-12-02 19:17 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-02 19:42 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-12-04 10:50 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-12-05 22:18 ` Pavel Machek
2001-12-02 20:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-12-01 8:57 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-01 13:14 ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-12-01 13:38 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-01 15:15 ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-12-01 6:31 ` Stephen Satchell
2001-12-01 7:07 ` Zilvinas Valinskas
2001-12-01 22:15 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-12-01 4:44 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-12-01 23:18 ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-02 20:25 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-02 23:51 ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-03 0:55 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-03 12:04 ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-12-03 13:20 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-07 18:15 ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-12-04 11:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-12-03 1:34 ` David L. Parsley
2001-12-03 3:06 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-04 1:39 ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-04 22:25 ` Ragnar Hojland Espinosa
2001-12-04 18:38 ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-12-01 5:54 ` Stephen Satchell
2001-12-01 11:18 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-01 18:05 ` Ingo Oeser
2001-12-01 18:21 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-02 16:25 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-12-02 16:54 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-12-02 19:11 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-12-01 22:20 ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-02 17:18 ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-30 22:31 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-30 18:44 ` Henning Schmiedehausen
2001-11-30 17:53 ` Henning Schmiedehausen
2001-11-30 18:07 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-01 4:12 ` Mike Fedyk
2001-12-01 5:14 ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-06 0:13 ` Rusty Russell
2001-11-30 17:31 ` Alan Cox
2001-11-30 17:55 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-30 18:07 ` Henning Schmiedehausen
2001-12-02 20:13 ` Pavel Machek
2001-12-02 21:28 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-02 21:30 ` Dave Jones
2001-12-01 0:12 ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-30 18:37 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-12-01 1:17 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-01 8:54 ` Gérard Roudier
2001-12-01 12:19 ` Clean up drivers/scsi (was: Coding style - a non-issue) Keith Owens
2001-12-02 23:21 ` Coding style - a non-issue David S. Miller
2001-12-02 23:27 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-04 17:18 ` Gérard Roudier
2001-12-04 17:23 ` Gérard Roudier
2001-12-04 22:28 ` David S. Miller
2001-11-30 17:20 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-30 17:50 ` Russell King
2001-11-30 17:49 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-30 18:03 ` Russell King
2001-11-30 18:31 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-30 17:53 ` Alan Cox
2001-11-30 17:42 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-30 18:00 ` Russell King
2001-11-30 17:55 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-30 18:40 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2001-11-30 18:46 ` Russell King
2001-11-30 17:54 ` antirez
2001-11-30 18:20 ` Paul G. Allen
2001-11-30 18:47 ` antirez
2001-11-30 20:20 ` Paul G. Allen
2001-11-30 19:00 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-11-30 19:41 ` John Kodis
2001-11-30 20:27 ` Paul G. Allen
2001-12-01 21:52 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-12-01 23:22 ` john slee
2001-12-01 23:57 ` Paul G. Allen
2001-12-02 20:03 ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-29 0:50 ` David S. Miller
2001-11-29 1:07 ` Petko Manolov
2001-11-29 1:56 ` Matthias Andree
2001-11-30 18:15 ` Paul G. Allen
2001-11-30 18:29 ` John H. Robinson, IV
2001-11-30 18:39 ` Paul G. Allen
2001-11-30 18:38 ` Nestor Florez
2001-11-30 18:56 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-11-30 20:06 ` Paul G. Allen
2001-11-30 20:18 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-12-01 17:53 ` David Weinehall
2001-12-01 21:29 ` Paul G. Allen
2001-12-02 2:03 ` Tracy R Reed
2001-12-05 3:42 ` Mike Fedyk
2001-11-30 20:41 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-01 21:45 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-11-30 20:48 ` Andrew Morton
2001-11-30 23:17 ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-01 0:28 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-01 0:22 ` Rik van Riel
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-01-28 14:10 A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin Rob Landley
2002-01-29 0:44 ` Matthew D. Pitts
2002-01-29 1:37 ` Francesco Munda
2002-01-29 3:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-29 4:47 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-29 6:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-29 6:12 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-29 6:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-29 11:45 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-01-29 14:26 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-29 17:37 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2002-01-29 19:23 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-29 19:33 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-29 23:43 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 13:19 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-01-29 13:40 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-29 23:51 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-30 1:33 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-30 1:46 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 3:45 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-30 10:39 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-30 11:21 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-30 12:39 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-30 13:28 ` Wanted: Volunteer to code a Patchbot Daniel Phillips
2002-01-30 15:11 ` Rasmus Andersen
2002-01-30 15:28 ` Rasmus Andersen
2002-01-30 15:46 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-31 0:49 ` Stuart Young
2002-01-31 1:26 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-31 1:39 ` Stuart Young
2002-01-31 13:51 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-31 15:29 ` Patrick Mauritz
2002-01-31 16:31 ` Jan Harkes
2002-01-31 22:05 ` Horst von Brand
2002-02-01 8:05 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-01 1:03 ` Stuart Young
2002-01-30 13:45 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-30 13:45 ` Tim Waugh
2002-01-30 17:46 ` Patrick Mochel
2002-01-30 18:33 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-03 18:54 ` Peter C. Norton
2002-02-03 23:40 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 7:33 ` A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin Rob Landley
2002-01-29 7:52 ` Greg KH
2002-01-29 22:14 ` MAINTANIANCE [was Re: A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin] James Simmons
2002-01-29 14:24 ` A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin Jeff Garzik
2002-01-29 7:10 ` Stuart Young
2002-01-29 7:53 ` Nix N. Nix
2002-01-29 19:24 ` Patrick Mochel
2002-01-29 7:38 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 8:39 ` George Bonser
2002-01-29 11:29 ` Xavier Bestel
2002-01-29 13:54 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-29 12:31 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 14:52 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-29 22:04 ` Ville Herva
2002-01-29 22:07 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 22:24 ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-30 4:37 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-30 7:20 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-30 7:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 8:11 ` Greg KH
2002-01-30 9:22 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-30 15:16 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-30 10:14 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-30 15:49 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 15:42 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-30 16:03 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 16:07 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-30 16:11 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 16:18 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-30 16:37 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 16:47 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-30 20:50 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-01-31 0:28 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-30 16:14 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-30 16:23 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-30 16:32 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 16:43 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-30 16:59 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 18:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-30 16:43 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 16:59 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-30 18:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-30 17:25 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 18:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 19:38 ` Georg Nikodym
2002-01-30 20:45 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-30 21:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 21:57 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 21:58 ` Eli Carter
2002-01-30 22:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 22:36 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 23:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-31 13:00 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-30 23:18 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-31 1:57 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-31 3:12 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-31 3:51 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-31 4:58 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-31 5:08 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-31 6:02 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-31 6:15 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-31 6:23 ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-01-31 6:37 ` Larry McVoy
[not found] ` <20020131074924.QZMB10685.femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there>
2002-01-31 17:13 ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-01-31 17:19 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-31 17:35 ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-02-01 0:29 ` Keith Owens
2002-02-01 1:04 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-01 1:37 ` Keith Owens
2002-02-01 11:11 ` Horst von Brand
2002-02-01 11:30 ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-01 11:42 ` 2.4.16 cannot connect to www.sun.com Joe Wong
2002-02-01 11:59 ` Chris Chabot
2002-02-01 12:00 ` David Woodhouse
2002-02-01 16:43 ` A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin Larry McVoy
2002-02-01 22:57 ` Keith Owens
2002-02-02 0:15 ` Bitkeeper change granularity (was Re: A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin) Rob Landley
2002-02-02 15:03 ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-02 20:07 ` Rob Landley
2002-02-01 16:38 ` A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin Larry McVoy
2002-02-01 17:12 ` Wayne Scott
2002-02-01 23:45 ` Bitkeeper change granularity (was Re: A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin) Rob Landley
2002-02-02 1:19 ` Charles Cazabon
2002-02-02 5:50 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-02 15:12 ` Charles Cazabon
2002-02-02 5:49 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-02 15:56 ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-01 20:47 ` Rob Landley
2002-02-02 6:17 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-03 13:03 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-02-01 10:55 ` A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin Nix N. Nix
2002-01-31 5:16 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-31 5:46 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-31 5:55 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-31 6:03 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-31 6:07 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-31 6:33 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-30 23:57 ` Kenneth Johansson
[not found] ` <m3d6zraqn1.fsf@linux.local>
2002-01-31 15:12 ` Tom Rini
2002-02-12 22:59 ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-12 23:14 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-13 2:08 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-13 12:07 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-02-13 16:55 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-22 16:06 ` Hans Reiser
2002-02-23 5:00 ` Mark Hahn
2002-02-25 17:13 ` Randy.Dunlap
2002-03-01 19:29 ` Rob Landley
2002-03-01 19:35 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-03-01 19:03 ` Rob Landley
2002-03-01 11:05 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-30 16:47 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-30 16:59 ` Josh MacDonald
2002-01-30 17:04 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 17:41 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-01-30 18:51 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-31 1:43 ` Val Henson
2002-01-30 7:58 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-30 8:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 8:36 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-30 9:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 10:05 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-30 10:06 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-30 10:18 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 17:11 ` Greg KH
2002-01-30 18:35 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-30 18:29 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 21:15 ` Erik Andersen
2002-01-30 21:14 ` Erik Andersen
2002-01-30 23:06 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-30 23:48 ` Erik Andersen
2002-01-31 0:03 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-01-31 0:13 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-31 0:33 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-31 1:07 ` [PATCH] fix for 2.4.18-pre7 SCSI namespace conflict Erik Andersen
2002-01-30 17:20 ` A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 22:06 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-01-31 12:14 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-01-31 13:34 ` Ian Molton
2002-01-31 14:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-31 12:27 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-31 15:01 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-31 12:28 ` David Weinehall
2002-01-31 12:52 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-01-31 14:31 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-31 12:56 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-01-31 15:07 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-31 13:45 ` Russell King
2002-01-31 21:08 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-01-30 12:29 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-30 8:36 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-30 8:39 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-30 12:41 ` Kees Bakker, Kees Bakker
2002-01-30 14:15 ` Charles Cazabon
2002-01-30 7:41 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-30 7:58 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-30 8:09 ` bug tracking (was Re: A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin) Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 9:18 ` Chris Funderburg
2002-01-30 15:36 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-29 13:22 ` A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin Alan Cox
2002-01-29 15:29 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-29 16:10 ` Dave McCracken
2002-01-29 18:46 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-30 15:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-29 19:51 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-01-30 2:46 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-30 11:57 ` Denis Vlasenko
2002-01-30 8:29 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 9:38 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-30 9:43 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 19:40 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-30 19:42 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 9:59 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-29 22:35 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-01-30 15:48 ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2002-01-29 5:01 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-29 11:49 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-01-29 13:13 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-01-29 13:43 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-31 11:24 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-01-31 11:53 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-31 11:20 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-01-29 14:33 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-29 13:14 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-01 13:38 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-02-01 11:53 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-01-29 13:14 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-29 15:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-29 13:40 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-29 13:47 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-30 11:42 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-01-29 16:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-29 14:27 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-29 14:43 ` Russell King
2002-01-30 9:44 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-30 10:14 ` Russell King
2002-01-29 16:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-29 14:54 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-29 16:41 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-29 15:35 ` Eli Carter
2002-01-29 16:47 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-29 14:53 ` Patrick Mauritz
2002-01-29 20:03 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-01-30 3:15 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-01-30 6:30 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-01-29 16:53 ` update to MAINTAINERS list Andreas Dilger
2002-01-29 20:10 ` A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin toon
2002-01-30 9:40 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-29 22:57 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-29 23:47 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-30 5:57 ` Mark Hahn
2002-01-29 22:45 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-01-29 23:14 ` Craig Christophel
2002-01-30 4:26 ` Shawn
2002-01-29 14:30 ` Skip Ford
2002-01-29 17:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-29 17:51 ` Michael Sterrett -Mr. Bones.-
2002-01-29 23:34 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-29 23:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 0:07 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-30 0:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 0:52 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-30 0:23 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-01-30 0:27 ` Chris Ricker
2002-01-30 0:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 1:38 ` Miles Lane
2002-01-30 8:06 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-30 8:47 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 9:03 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 9:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 10:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 17:24 ` real BK usage (was: A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin) Andreas Dilger
2002-01-30 17:34 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 20:03 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-01-31 17:11 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-31 19:01 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-31 21:56 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-01-30 17:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 10:25 ` A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin Momchil Velikov
2002-01-30 10:32 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-05 1:03 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-04-05 1:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-04 16:40 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-05 2:19 ` patch-2.4.19-pre5-ac2 Jonathan A. Davis
2002-04-05 6:57 ` patch-2.4.19-pre5-ac2 Peter Horton
2002-04-05 10:18 ` patch-2.4.19-pre5-ac2 Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-04-05 10:12 ` A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-01-30 12:59 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-30 15:31 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-30 17:29 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-30 17:59 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 16:06 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 16:34 ` Jochen Friedrich
2002-01-30 16:39 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 18:03 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 20:06 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-30 20:17 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 21:02 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-30 21:18 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 22:13 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-30 22:25 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 22:36 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-30 2:45 ` Chris Ricker
2002-01-30 2:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 4:14 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 12:49 ` Matthew D. Pitts
2002-01-30 13:26 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-30 19:11 ` Juan Quintela
2002-01-30 21:03 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-30 22:03 ` Francois Romieu
2002-01-30 22:20 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-30 22:39 ` Jesse Pollard
2002-01-31 2:39 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-31 3:29 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-31 3:40 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-31 5:32 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-31 5:57 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-31 6:03 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-31 6:27 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-31 6:43 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-31 3:41 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-31 3:54 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-31 14:28 ` [lkml] " Ian Soboroff
2002-02-01 5:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-02-01 5:48 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-01 19:11 ` Craig Schlenter
2002-01-31 16:40 ` Jesse Pollard
2002-01-30 9:19 ` Russell King
2002-01-30 9:44 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 19:55 ` Jacob Luna Lundberg
2002-01-30 20:00 ` Russell King
2002-01-30 21:56 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-01-31 2:45 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-30 21:57 ` Karl
2002-01-30 1:40 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-30 11:56 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-01-30 13:13 ` Daniel Egger
2002-01-30 16:26 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-01-31 1:16 ` Stuart Young
2002-01-31 1:42 ` David Lang
2002-01-30 0:08 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-30 4:36 ` Shawn
2002-01-29 23:12 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-29 22:31 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-01-30 9:50 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-30 8:03 ` Francesco Munda
2002-01-30 8:39 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-03 1:47 ` Francesco Munda
2002-02-13 12:10 ` PATCH 2.5.4 i810_audio, bttv, working at all Martin Dalecki
2002-02-13 12:35 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-13 12:40 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-13 12:45 ` David S. Miller
2002-02-13 12:55 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-13 12:47 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-13 13:10 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-18 17:36 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-02-13 18:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-02-13 16:49 ` David S. Miller
2002-02-13 16:55 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-13 17:10 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-13 19:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-02-13 17:38 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-13 17:01 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-13 18:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-02-13 17:19 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-14 9:27 ` Pavel Machek
2002-02-15 2:11 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-15 3:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-02-15 7:38 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-25 16:24 ` Olaf Titz
2002-02-15 8:34 ` PATCH 2.5.5-pre1 dead arrays Martin Dalecki
2002-02-13 13:04 ` PATCH 2.5.4 i810_audio, bttv, working at all Alan Cox
2002-01-29 3:42 ` A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin Rob Landley
2002-01-29 12:22 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-29 12:23 ` Padraig Brady
2002-01-30 1:32 ` Francesco Munda
2002-01-29 5:51 ` Andrew Pimlott
2002-01-29 8:00 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 13:06 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-29 14:40 ` Andrew Pimlott
2002-01-29 15:10 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-29 19:10 ` John Alvord
2002-01-29 9:55 ` Matthias Andree
2002-01-29 10:21 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 10:23 ` Jim McDonald
2002-01-29 15:51 ` Eli Carter
2002-01-30 0:40 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 19:46 ` Jordan Mendelson
2002-01-29 22:23 ` Ragnar Hojland Espinosa
[not found] <E16BY3e-0005S9-00@the-village.bc.nu.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
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2001-12-05 20:44 ` Loadable drivers [was SMP/cc Cluster description ] Andi Kleen
2001-12-05 21:52 ` erich
2001-12-05 23:56 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-05 16:58 Wow! Is memory ever cheap! Larry McVoy
2001-05-05 17:20 ` Matthew Jacob
2001-05-06 2:20 ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-05-06 2:45 ` Larry McVoy
2001-05-07 18:47 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-07 18:56 ` Larry McVoy
2001-05-07 19:01 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-07 19:18 ` Larry McVoy
2001-05-07 19:21 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-07 19:27 ` Larry McVoy
2001-05-07 19:33 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-07 19:44 ` Larry McVoy
2001-05-07 20:01 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-07 22:07 ` Ben Ford
2001-05-09 4:24 ` Marty Leisner
2001-05-09 5:22 ` Larry McVoy
2001-05-09 5:36 ` Dan Hollis
2001-05-09 16:11 ` Gérard Roudier
2001-05-09 19:57 ` Matthew Jacob
2001-05-09 5:59 ` John Alvord
2001-05-09 9:42 ` Malcolm Beattie
2001-05-09 21:04 ` Edgar Toernig
2001-05-10 22:44 ` H. Peter Anvin
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