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From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>
Cc: Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo@conectiva.com.br>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: 2.4.16 & OOM killer screw up (fwd)
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 01:11:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20011211011158.A4801@athlon.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0112101705281.25362-100000@freak.distro.conectiva> <3C151F7B.44125B1@zip.com.au>
In-Reply-To: <3C151F7B.44125B1@zip.com.au>; from akpm@zip.com.au on Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 12:47:55PM -0800

On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 12:47:55PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> > 
> > Andrea,
> > 
> > Could you please start looking at any 2.4 VM issues which show up ?
> > 
> 
> Just fwiw, I did some testing on this yesterday.
> 
> Buffers and cache data are sitting on the active list, and shrink_caches()
> is *not* getting them off the active list, and onto the inactive list
> where they can be freed.

please check 2.4.17pre4aa1, see the per-classzone info, they will
prevent all the problems with the refill inactive with highmem.

> 
> So we end up with enormous amounts of anon memory on the inactive
> list, so this code:
> 
>         /* try to keep the active list 2/3 of the size of the cache */
>         ratio = (unsigned long) nr_pages * nr_active_pages / ((nr_inactive_pages + 1) * 2);
>         refill_inactive(ratio);
> 
> just calls refill_inactive(0) all the time.  Nothing gets moved
> onto the inactive list - it remains full of unfreeable anon
> allocations.  And with no swap, there's nowhere to go.
> 
> I think a little fix is to add
> 
>         if (ratio < nr_pages)
>                 ratio = nr_pages;
> 
> so we at least move *something* onto the inactive list.
> 
> Also refill_inactive needs to be changed so that it counts
> the number of pages which it actually moved, rather than
> the number of pages which it inspected.

done ages ago here.

> 
> In my swapless testing, I burnt HUGE amounts of CPU in flush_tlb_others().
> So we're madly trying to swap pages out and finding that there's no swap
> space.  I beleive that when we find there's no swap left we should move
> the page onto the active list so we don't keep rescanning it pointlessly.

yes, however I think the swap-flood with no swap isn't a very
interesting case to optimize.

> 
> A fix may be to just remove the use-once stuff.  It is one of the
> sources of this problem, because it's overpopulating the inactive list.
> 
> In my testing last night, I tried to allocate 650 megs on a 768 meg
> swapless box.  Got oom-killed when there was almost 100 megs of freeable
> memory: half buffercache, half filecache.  Presumably, all of it was
> stuck on the active list with no way to get off.
> 
> We also need to do something about shrink_[di]cache_memory(),
> which seem to be called in the wrong place.
> 
> There's also the report concerning modify_ldt() failure in a
> similar situation.  I'm not sure why this one occurred.  It
> vmallocs 64k of memory and that seems to fail.

dunno about this modify_ldt failure.

> 
> I did some similar testing a week or so ago, also tested
> the -aa patches.  They seemed to maybe help a tiny bit,
> but not significantly.

I don't have any pending bug report. AFIK those bugs are only in
mainline. If you can reproduce with -aa please send me a bug report.
thanks,

Andrea

  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-12-11  0:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-12-10 19:08 2.4.16 & OOM killer screw up (fwd) Marcelo Tosatti
2001-12-10 20:47 ` Andrew Morton
2001-12-10 19:42   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-12-11  0:11   ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2001-12-11  7:07     ` Andrew Morton
2001-12-11 13:32       ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-11 13:46         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-12-12  8:44           ` Andrew Morton
2001-12-12  9:21             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-12-12  9:45               ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-12 10:09                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-12-12  9:59               ` Andrew Morton
2001-12-12 10:15                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-12-11 13:42       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-12-11 13:59         ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-11 14:23           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-12-11 15:27             ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-12 11:16               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-12-12 20:03                 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-12 21:25                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-12-11 13:59         ` Abraham vd Merwe
2001-12-11 14:01           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-12-11 17:30             ` Leigh Orf
2001-12-11 15:47         ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-12-11 16:01           ` Alan Cox
2001-12-11 16:37           ` Hubert Mantel
2001-12-11 17:09           ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-11 17:28             ` Alan Cox
2001-12-11 17:22               ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-11 17:23               ` Christoph Hellwig
2001-12-12 22:20                 ` Rob Landley
2001-12-13  8:48                   ` Alan Cox
2001-12-13  8:47                     ` David S. Miller
2001-12-13 18:41                       ` Matthias Andree
2001-12-13 10:22                     ` [OT] " Rob Landley
2001-12-12  8:39         ` Andrew Morton
2001-12-11  0:43 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-12-11 15:46   ` Luigi Genoni
2001-12-12 22:05   ` Ken Brownfield
2001-12-12 22:30     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-12-12 23:23     ` Rik van Riel
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0112102004490.1352-100000@duckman.distro.conectiva>
2001-12-11 16:45 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-12-11 18:51   ` Rik van Riel

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