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From: flar@pants.nu (Brad Boyer)
To: reiser@namesys.com (Hans Reiser)
Cc: andrew@pimlott.ne.mediaone.net (Andrew Pimlott),
	aia21@cam.ac.uk (Anton Altaparmakov),
	nathans@sgi.com (Nathan Scott),
	ag@bestbits.at (Andreas Gruenbacher),
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-xfs@oss.sgi.com
Subject: Re: reiser4 (was Re: [PATCH] Revised extended attributes  interface)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:27:14 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20011214182715.08C352B54A@marcus.pants.nu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3C19DE41.6000507@namesys.com> from "Hans Reiser" at Dec 14, 2001 02:10:57 PM

Hans Reiser wrote:
> Brad Boyer wrote:
> >Yes, these things can be survived, but speaking as someone who currently
> >has a job involving multiple NetApp boxes, I can say that the .snapshot
> >directory has some seriously annoying properties that break tar and
> >other programs that expect things to look normal. The snapshots have
> >saved my ass a few times, but they're still a pain to work with due
> >to a few little quirks. In particular, the files in the snapshot keep
> >the same inode number as the actual file. Just remember that clever
> >solutions that almost fit the traditional model can have strange
> >results over time.
> 
> Can you detail the problem?
> 

The problem with the NetApp snapshots is that tar and cp and a few other
programs that check inode numbers get confused and think everything in
the snapshot is a hard link. So you can't copy a snapshot of a file back
over the original without copying it somewhere else first, and it's
painful to make an archive of the snapshots. We have data files on our
filers that get updated frequently, and any time I need to analyze the
same file over time, or restore an old file, it causes problems. I was
throwing it out more as an example of what sort of unexpected things
happen when you slightly change the way the filesystem works.

	Brad Boyer
	flar@allandria.com


  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-12-14 18:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20011214051604.723C52B54A@marcus.pants.nu>
2001-12-14 11:10 ` reiser4 (was Re: [PATCH] Revised extended attributes interface) Hans Reiser
2001-12-14 15:06   ` dmeyer
2001-12-14 21:23     ` Bernd Eckenfels
2001-12-14 18:27   ` Brad Boyer [this message]
2001-12-05  3:32 [PATCH] Revised extended attributes interface Nathan Scott
2001-12-07 20:20 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-12-08  4:58   ` Nathan Scott
2001-12-08 20:17     ` Hans Reiser
2001-12-11  2:42       ` reiser4 (was Re: [PATCH] Revised extended attributes interface) Nathan Scott
2001-12-11 12:02         ` Hans Reiser
2001-12-11 19:23         ` Anton Altaparmakov
2001-12-11 21:21           ` Hans Reiser
2001-12-11 23:33             ` Anton Altaparmakov
2001-12-11 23:59               ` Hans Reiser
2001-12-12  2:16                 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2001-12-12 12:02                   ` Hans Reiser
2001-12-12 13:34                   ` Anton Altaparmakov
2001-12-12 15:40                     ` Hans Reiser
2001-12-13  1:43             ` Andrew Pimlott
2001-12-13  9:23               ` Hans Reiser
2001-12-13 15:27                 ` Andrew Pimlott
2001-12-13 20:47                   ` Hans Reiser
2001-12-13 21:01                 ` Anton Altaparmakov

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