From: Bill Huey <billh@tierra.ucsd.edu>
To: "David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>
Cc: bcrl@redhat.com, torvalds@transmeta.com,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-aio@kvack.org
Subject: Re: aio
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 17:16:31 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20011219171631.A544@burn.ucsd.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E16Gjuw-0000UT-00@starship.berlin> <Pine.LNX.4.33.0112190859050.1872-100000@penguin.transmeta.com> <20011219135708.A12608@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <20011219.161359.71089731.davem@redhat.com>
In-Reply-To: <20011219.161359.71089731.davem@redhat.com>; from davem@redhat.com on Wed, Dec 19, 2001 at 04:13:59PM -0800
On Wed, Dec 19, 2001 at 04:13:59PM -0800, David S. Miller wrote:
> Maybe it's because the majority of people don't care nor would ever
> need to use AIO. Are you willing to accept this possibly? :-) Linux
> is anything but doomed, because you will notice that the things that
> actually matter for most people are in fact improved and worked on
> within a reasonable timescale.
>
> Only very specialized applications can even benefit from AIO. This
> doesn't make it useless, but it does decrease the amount of interest
> (and priority) anyone in the community will have in working on it.
Folks doing serious server side Java and runtime internals would
definitely be able to use this stuff, namely me. It'll remove the
abuse of threading used to deal with large IO systems when NIO comes out
for 1.4. And as a JVM engineer for the FreeBSD community I'm drooling
over stuff like that.
> Now, if these few and far between people who are actually interested
> in AIO are willing to throw money at the problem to get it worked on,
> that is how the "reasonable timescale" will be arrived at. And if
> they aren't willing to toss money at the problem, how important can it
> really be to them? :-)
Like the Java folks ? few and far between ? What you're saying it just
plain outdated and from a previous generation of thinking that has
become irrelevant as the community has grown.
> Maybe, just maybe, most people simply do not care one iota about AIO.
>
> Linux caters to the general concerns not the nooks and cranies, that
> is why it is anything but doomed.
Again, Linux collectively has outgrown that thinking and the scope of
what the previous generation of engineers can responsible for, which is
why it's important for folks like Ben should be encourage to take it to
the next level.
bill
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-12-20 1:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <20011218020456.A11541@redhat.com>
2001-12-18 16:50 ` Scheduler ( was: Just a second ) Linus Torvalds
2001-12-18 16:56 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-18 17:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-18 19:04 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-18 21:02 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-18 21:14 ` David S. Miller
2001-12-18 21:17 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-18 21:19 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-18 21:30 ` David S. Miller
2001-12-18 21:18 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-19 17:44 ` IRC (was: Scheduler) Daniel Phillips
2001-12-19 17:51 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-19 18:24 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-19 18:19 ` M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
2001-12-19 18:27 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-19 18:40 ` J Sloan
2001-12-19 16:50 ` Scheduler ( was: Just a second ) Daniel Phillips
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.33.0112190859050.1872-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>
2001-12-19 18:57 ` aio Ben LaHaise
2001-12-19 19:29 ` aio Dan Kegel
2001-12-20 4:04 ` aio Benjamin LaHaise
2001-12-19 20:09 ` aio Daniel Phillips
2001-12-19 20:21 ` aio Davide Libenzi
[not found] ` <mailman.1008792601.3391.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2001-12-19 20:23 ` aio Pete Zaitcev
2001-12-20 0:13 ` aio David S. Miller
2001-12-20 0:21 ` aio Benjamin LaHaise
2001-12-20 0:36 ` aio Andrew Morton
2001-12-20 0:55 ` aio H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-20 0:47 ` aio Davide Libenzi
2001-12-20 1:16 ` Bill Huey [this message]
2001-12-20 1:20 ` aio David S. Miller
2001-12-20 2:26 ` aio Bill Huey
2001-12-20 2:45 ` aio David S. Miller
2001-12-19 18:57 ` aio John Heil
2001-12-20 3:06 ` aio David S. Miller
2001-12-19 19:30 ` aio John Heil
2001-12-20 5:29 ` aio David S. Miller
2001-12-20 3:21 ` aio Bill Huey
2001-12-27 9:36 ` aio Martin Dalecki
2001-12-20 3:07 ` aio Bill Huey
2001-12-20 3:13 ` aio David S. Miller
2001-12-20 3:47 ` aio Benjamin LaHaise
2001-12-20 5:39 ` aio David S. Miller
2001-12-20 5:58 ` aio Benjamin LaHaise
2001-12-20 6:00 ` aio David S. Miller
2001-12-20 6:46 ` aio Mike Castle
2001-12-20 6:55 ` aio Robert Love
2001-12-20 7:13 ` aio Mike Castle
2001-12-20 7:01 ` aio David S. Miller
2001-12-20 7:27 ` aio Daniel Phillips
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.33.0112201127400.2656-100000@localhost.localdomain>
2001-12-20 11:49 ` aio William Lee Irwin III
2001-12-20 16:32 ` aio Dan Kegel
2001-12-20 18:05 ` aio Davide Libenzi
2001-12-20 21:45 ` aio Lincoln Dale
2001-12-20 21:59 ` aio Linus Torvalds
2001-12-24 11:44 ` aio Gerold Jury
2001-12-20 23:02 ` aio Lincoln Dale
2001-12-21 17:24 ` aio Alan Cox
2001-12-21 17:16 ` aio Benjamin LaHaise
2001-12-23 5:35 ` aio Bill Huey
2001-12-20 14:38 ` aio Luigi Genoni
2001-12-20 17:26 ` aio Henning Schmiedehausen
2001-12-20 20:04 ` aio M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
2001-12-20 23:53 ` aio David S. Miller
2001-12-21 0:28 ` Offtopic Java/C# [Re: aio] Bill Huey
[not found] ` <mailman.1008817860.10606.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2001-12-20 5:16 ` aio Pete Zaitcev
2001-12-20 16:16 ` aio Dan Kegel
2001-12-21 11:44 ` aio Gerold Jury
2001-12-21 13:48 ` aio Ingo Molnar
2001-12-21 15:27 ` aio Gerold Jury
2001-12-24 11:08 ` aio Gerold Jury
2001-12-20 17:24 ` aio Henning Schmiedehausen
2001-12-20 2:37 ` aio Cameron Simpson
2001-12-20 2:47 ` aio David S. Miller
2001-12-20 2:52 ` aio Cameron Simpson
2001-12-20 2:58 ` aio David S. Miller
2001-12-20 5:47 ` aio Linus Torvalds
2001-12-20 5:57 ` aio David S. Miller
2001-12-20 5:59 ` aio Benjamin LaHaise
2001-12-20 6:02 ` aio David S. Miller
2001-12-20 6:07 ` aio Benjamin LaHaise
2001-12-20 6:12 ` aio David S. Miller
2001-12-20 6:23 ` aio Linus Torvalds
2001-12-20 10:18 ` aio Ingo Molnar
2001-12-20 18:20 ` aio Robert Love
2001-12-20 22:30 ` aio Cameron Simpson
2001-12-20 22:46 ` aio Benjamin LaHaise
2001-12-20 6:09 ` aio Linus Torvalds
2001-12-20 17:28 ` aio Suparna Bhattacharya
[not found] ` <mailman.1008816001.10138.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2001-12-20 5:07 ` aio Pete Zaitcev
2001-12-20 5:10 ` aio Cameron Simpson
2001-12-21 17:28 ` aio Alan Cox
2001-12-23 5:46 ` aio Bill Huey
2001-12-23 6:34 ` aio Dan Kegel
2001-12-23 18:43 ` aio Davide Libenzi
2001-12-26 20:42 ` Java and Flam^H^H^H^H AIO (was: aio) Daniel Phillips
2001-12-18 19:11 ` Scheduler ( was: Just a second ) Mike Galbraith
2001-12-18 19:15 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-18 22:32 ` in defense of the linux-kernel mailing list Ingo Molnar
2001-12-18 17:55 ` Scheduler ( was: Just a second ) Davide Libenzi
2001-12-18 19:43 ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-20 2:56 aio Mikael Pettersson
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