Re: [Lse-tech] Re: 10.31 second kernel compile

yodaiken
2002-03-17T20:59:48Z

On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 04:52:00PM +0200, Kai Henningsen wrote:
> yodaiken@fsmlabs.com wrote on 16.03.02 in <20020316161057.A23495@hq.fsmlabs.com>:
>
> > On Sat, Mar 16, 2002 at 10:00:07PM +0000, Alan Cox wrote:
> > > > databases, routing tables, and images. Our good friends at Intel
> > > > claim "carrier grade" Linux needs to run threaded apps
> > > > with 10,000 threads to depose Solaris in telecom - all sharing the
> > > > same monster address space.=20
> > >
> > > Thats intel though. The same people who seem to think that hyperthreading
> > > in the CPU is required for carrier grade work 8)
> >
> > I love the whole sound of "carrier grade" though: Do you use "carrier grade"
> > Linux or just the "recreational boating" version?
>
> Wrong carrier, though. It's not US Navy carriers (those people use NT,
> after all, and this was "depose Solaris"), it's carriers like AT&T - phone

Really? So why are they always talking about that ship SS7 and the
sonar network - SONET ? I think Alan may have something there about the
carrier pigeon angle, though. Needs more study.

Actually, it makes me think of "as big, manoeuverable, and
low cost as an aircraft carrier" although that is certainly unfair.

> companies. And I suspect many of those 10,000 threads are handling one
> phone conversation each. Or maybe one half of one.
>
> In fact, that's a problem space I find much more interesting than the
> military. *These* people need to be robust in peacetime. They can't afford
> a big showy piece of hardware that breaks down when it's finally needed,
> because "finally" is a very short-term goal.

But in my, as always ever so humble, opinion, 10,000 threads is a programming
error based on the incorrect Solaris theory that threads were a good
substitute for thinking about scheduling operations. So making Linux
handle 10K threads is not necessarily an appealing idea unless you can
think of some very clever way to do it.
On the other hand, if I just wanted to sell chips, I might think
differently.

>
> MfG Kai
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