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From: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
To: Oliver Xymoron <oxymoron@waste.org>
Cc: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>,
	Christer Weinigel <wingel@hog.ctrl-c.liu.se>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: The direction linux is taking
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 12:04:51 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20011229120451.E19306@work.bitmover.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20011229113749.D19306@work.bitmover.com> <Pine.LNX.4.43.0112291341360.18183-100000@waste.org>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.43.0112291341360.18183-100000@waste.org>; from oxymoron@waste.org on Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 01:58:21PM -0600

On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 01:58:21PM -0600, Oliver Xymoron wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, Larry McVoy wrote:
> 
> > [patchbot stuff]
> 
> > If you have N people trying to patch the same file, you'll require N
> > releases and some poor shlep is going to have to resubmit their patch
> > N-1 times before it gets in.
> 
> The point is to have N patches queued against rev x that apply cleanly 

And my point is that your N is likely to be quite small out of a possible
set that is quite large.  If I'm right, then the patchbot idea is pointless
because all the interesting work is happening in the part of the set that
the patchbot can't handle.

I make no claims as to where the partition is in Linux, only the maintainers
can tell us that.  I do claim that in the commercial world, the set of patches
which apply clean is much much smaller than the set which require merging.

You might want to think about the _fact_ that getting patches to apply 
cleanly serializes all work on the area being patched.  If you can live
with that, fine.  If you can't, the patchbot doesn't help.  It solves the
easy part of the problem, which didn't need to be solved, and punts on
the hard part.
-- 
---
Larry McVoy            	 lm at bitmover.com           http://www.bitmover.com/lm 

  reply	other threads:[~2001-12-29 20:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 127+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-12-27 15:46 The direction linux is taking Dana Lacoste
2001-12-27 16:01 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-27 16:33   ` Alan Cox
2001-12-27 16:30     ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-27 16:53       ` Alan Cox
2001-12-27 17:03         ` Thomas Capricelli
2001-12-27 17:54           ` Alan Cox
2001-12-27 16:57     ` Russell King
2001-12-27 17:11       ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-27 17:25         ` Erik Mouw
2001-12-27 18:05         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-27 18:24           ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-27 18:58             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-27 19:16               ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-27 19:29                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-27 19:46                   ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-27 19:57                     ` Richard Gooch
2001-12-27 20:07                       ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-27 20:12                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-27 21:13                           ` Troy Benjegerdes
2001-12-27 21:18                             ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-27 21:28                         ` Richard Gooch
2001-12-27 18:37           ` Dave Jones
2001-12-27 19:25             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-27 20:16               ` Dave Jones
2001-12-27 19:33             ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2001-12-27 21:20             ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-27 20:10           ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-27 20:21             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-27 20:33               ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-27 20:41                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-27 20:50                   ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-27 21:43                     ` Troy Benjegerdes
2001-12-27 21:53                       ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-29 17:14                   ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-12-29 17:27                     ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28  2:27                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-27 20:43             ` Alan Cox
2001-12-27 17:38       ` Richard Gooch
2001-12-27 17:55         ` Dave Jones
2001-12-27 18:04           ` Richard Gooch
2001-12-27 18:06             ` Dave Jones
2001-12-27 18:17               ` Richard Gooch
2001-12-27 18:02         ` Alan Cox
2001-12-27 17:59           ` Richard Gooch
2001-12-27 18:38             ` Russell King
2001-12-28  4:03             ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-29 18:02               ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-12-29 19:06               ` Christer Weinigel
2001-12-29 19:18                 ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-12-29 19:37                   ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-29 19:58                     ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-12-29 20:04                       ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2001-12-29 20:30                         ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-12-29 22:09                           ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-29 22:24                             ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-12-29 23:01                               ` Alan Cox
2001-12-29 22:59                                 ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-12-29 23:09                                   ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-29 23:07                                 ` Dave Jones
2001-12-29 23:19                                   ` Alan Cox
2001-12-29 23:24                                     ` Dave Jones
2001-12-29 23:33                                       ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-12-29 23:41                                         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2001-12-31  8:51                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-29 23:04                               ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-29 23:29                                 ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-12-29 23:35                                   ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-29 23:59                                     ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-12-30  0:04                                       ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-30  0:25                                         ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-12-29 22:26                             ` Dave Jones
2001-12-29 23:02                               ` Alan Cox
2001-12-29 20:01                     ` Olivier Galibert
2001-12-29 20:04                     ` Dave Jones
2002-01-02 15:06                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-12-29 21:03                     ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-12-29 22:04                       ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-29 22:58                         ` Alan Cox
2001-12-29 23:14                           ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-29 23:33                             ` Dave Jones
2001-12-29 23:38                               ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-29 23:47                                 ` Dave Jones
2001-12-29 23:50                                 ` Atomic Killer Attack Fish
2001-12-30  2:36                             ` Alan Cox
2001-12-30  2:49                               ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-30  3:54                                 ` Dave Jones
2001-12-30 10:07                                 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-01  1:32                             ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-31 21:24                               ` Rob Landley
2002-01-01  1:46                               ` Dave Jones
2002-01-02 14:59                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-12-31  8:45                         ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-31 21:33                           ` Rob Landley
2002-01-02 10:14                             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-02 10:50                               ` Neil Brown
2002-01-02 11:07                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-27 18:41         ` John Alvord
2001-12-27 18:49         ` Russell King
2001-12-27 17:52       ` Alan Cox
2001-12-27 17:59       ` Andre Hedrick
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-01-07  5:26 Eyal Sohya
2001-12-27 21:24 Dana Lacoste
2001-12-27 20:45 Dana Lacoste
2001-12-27 20:55 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-23 14:18 Eyal Sohya
2001-12-23 14:13 Eyal Sohya
2001-12-23 14:11 Eyal Sohya
2001-12-18 15:18 Dana Lacoste
2001-12-18 18:08 ` John Alvord
2001-12-18 18:42   ` rsweet
2001-12-18 19:50 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-18 14:32 Dana Lacoste
2001-12-18 15:04 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-18 15:09   ` Dead2
2001-12-18 18:37     ` Ken Brownfield
     [not found]       ` <01121909274103.01840@manta>
2001-12-19  9:56         ` Dead2
2001-12-19 18:06           ` Ken Brownfield
2001-12-19 18:11         ` Ken Brownfield
2001-12-18  5:20 Eyal Sohya
2001-12-18  6:11 ` Craig Christophel
2001-12-18 12:19 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-18 14:38 ` M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
2001-12-18 15:18   ` David Weinehall
2001-12-18 15:27     ` Momchil Velikov
2001-12-20  6:49       ` Kai Henningsen
2001-12-20  9:30         ` Momchil Velikov

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