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From: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>, Benjamin LaHaise <bcrl@redhat.com>,
	Oliver Xymoron <oxymoron@waste.org>,
	Christer Weinigel <wingel@hog.ctrl-c.liu.se>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: The direction linux is taking
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 15:14:40 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20011229151440.A21760@work.bitmover.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20011229140410.A13883@work.bitmover.com> <E16KSQt-0005zf-00@the-village.bc.nu>
In-Reply-To: <E16KSQt-0005zf-00@the-village.bc.nu>; from alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk on Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 10:58:27PM +0000

On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 10:58:27PM +0000, Alan Cox wrote:
> > > Wrong.  Most patches are independant, and even touch different functions.  
> > 
> > Really?  And the data which shows this absolute statement to be true is
> > where?  I'm happy to believe data, but there is no data here.
> 
> I rarely get clashes in merges with either 2.2 or with 2.4-ac when I was
> doing it. Offsets from multiple patches to the same file happen some times
> but its very rare two people had overlapping changes and when it happened
> it almost always meant that the two of them needed to talk because they were
> fixing the same thing or adding related features.

So that means that pretty much 100% of development to any one area is being
done by one person?!?   That's cool, but doesn't it limit the speed at which
forward progress can be made?  And does that mean for any area there is only
one person who really understands it?

I'm not sure that you want single threading of development to be something
enforced by your development process, and that's what it is starting to 
sound like more and more.  Isn't it true that a lack of merge conflicts
means that there is no parallel development in that area?  

We have lots of commercial customers using BK on the Linux kernel, they
are doing embedded this and that.  The rate of change that they make is
much greater than the rate of change made in the Linus maintained tree.
I'm not saying it's good or bad, it's just different.  I can say that
merging is a huge issue in commercial shops.  It's interesting to hear 
that it is not in Linux.

Some sociology guy with a CS background should do a study on this and 
explore the differences.  Is fast change better?  Is slow change better?
-- 
---
Larry McVoy            	 lm at bitmover.com           http://www.bitmover.com/lm 

  reply	other threads:[~2001-12-29 23:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 127+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-12-27 15:46 The direction linux is taking Dana Lacoste
2001-12-27 16:01 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-27 16:33   ` Alan Cox
2001-12-27 16:30     ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-27 16:53       ` Alan Cox
2001-12-27 17:03         ` Thomas Capricelli
2001-12-27 17:54           ` Alan Cox
2001-12-27 16:57     ` Russell King
2001-12-27 17:11       ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-27 17:25         ` Erik Mouw
2001-12-27 18:05         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-27 18:24           ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-27 18:58             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-27 19:16               ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-27 19:29                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-27 19:46                   ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-27 19:57                     ` Richard Gooch
2001-12-27 20:07                       ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-27 20:12                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-27 21:13                           ` Troy Benjegerdes
2001-12-27 21:18                             ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-27 21:28                         ` Richard Gooch
2001-12-27 18:37           ` Dave Jones
2001-12-27 19:25             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-27 20:16               ` Dave Jones
2001-12-27 19:33             ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2001-12-27 21:20             ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-27 20:10           ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-27 20:21             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-27 20:33               ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-27 20:41                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-27 20:50                   ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-27 21:43                     ` Troy Benjegerdes
2001-12-27 21:53                       ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-29 17:14                   ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-12-29 17:27                     ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28  2:27                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-27 20:43             ` Alan Cox
2001-12-27 17:38       ` Richard Gooch
2001-12-27 17:55         ` Dave Jones
2001-12-27 18:04           ` Richard Gooch
2001-12-27 18:06             ` Dave Jones
2001-12-27 18:17               ` Richard Gooch
2001-12-27 18:02         ` Alan Cox
2001-12-27 17:59           ` Richard Gooch
2001-12-27 18:38             ` Russell King
2001-12-28  4:03             ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-29 18:02               ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-12-29 19:06               ` Christer Weinigel
2001-12-29 19:18                 ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-12-29 19:37                   ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-29 19:58                     ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-12-29 20:04                       ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-29 20:30                         ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-12-29 22:09                           ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-29 22:24                             ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-12-29 23:01                               ` Alan Cox
2001-12-29 22:59                                 ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-12-29 23:09                                   ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-29 23:07                                 ` Dave Jones
2001-12-29 23:19                                   ` Alan Cox
2001-12-29 23:24                                     ` Dave Jones
2001-12-29 23:33                                       ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-12-29 23:41                                         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2001-12-31  8:51                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-29 23:04                               ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-29 23:29                                 ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-12-29 23:35                                   ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-29 23:59                                     ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-12-30  0:04                                       ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-30  0:25                                         ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-12-29 22:26                             ` Dave Jones
2001-12-29 23:02                               ` Alan Cox
2001-12-29 20:01                     ` Olivier Galibert
2001-12-29 20:04                     ` Dave Jones
2002-01-02 15:06                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-12-29 21:03                     ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-12-29 22:04                       ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-29 22:58                         ` Alan Cox
2001-12-29 23:14                           ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2001-12-29 23:33                             ` Dave Jones
2001-12-29 23:38                               ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-29 23:47                                 ` Dave Jones
2001-12-29 23:50                                 ` Atomic Killer Attack Fish
2001-12-30  2:36                             ` Alan Cox
2001-12-30  2:49                               ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-30  3:54                                 ` Dave Jones
2001-12-30 10:07                                 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-01  1:32                             ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-31 21:24                               ` Rob Landley
2002-01-01  1:46                               ` Dave Jones
2002-01-02 14:59                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-12-31  8:45                         ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-31 21:33                           ` Rob Landley
2002-01-02 10:14                             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-02 10:50                               ` Neil Brown
2002-01-02 11:07                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-27 18:41         ` John Alvord
2001-12-27 18:49         ` Russell King
2001-12-27 17:52       ` Alan Cox
2001-12-27 17:59       ` Andre Hedrick
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-01-07  5:26 Eyal Sohya
2001-12-27 21:24 Dana Lacoste
2001-12-27 20:45 Dana Lacoste
2001-12-27 20:55 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-23 14:18 Eyal Sohya
2001-12-23 14:13 Eyal Sohya
2001-12-23 14:11 Eyal Sohya
2001-12-18 15:18 Dana Lacoste
2001-12-18 18:08 ` John Alvord
2001-12-18 18:42   ` rsweet
2001-12-18 19:50 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-18 14:32 Dana Lacoste
2001-12-18 15:04 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-18 15:09   ` Dead2
2001-12-18 18:37     ` Ken Brownfield
     [not found]       ` <01121909274103.01840@manta>
2001-12-19  9:56         ` Dead2
2001-12-19 18:06           ` Ken Brownfield
2001-12-19 18:11         ` Ken Brownfield
2001-12-18  5:20 Eyal Sohya
2001-12-18  6:11 ` Craig Christophel
2001-12-18 12:19 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-18 14:38 ` M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
2001-12-18 15:18   ` David Weinehall
2001-12-18 15:27     ` Momchil Velikov
2001-12-20  6:49       ` Kai Henningsen
2001-12-20  9:30         ` Momchil Velikov

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