From: Viktor Rosenfeld <rosenfel@informatik.hu-berlin.de>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: State of the new config & build system
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 15:37:29 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20011230153729.A1378@bart> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20011230043458.E2434@bart> <Pine.LNX.4.33.0112300507420.3122-100000@Appserv.suse.de>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0112300507420.3122-100000@Appserv.suse.de>
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Dave Jones wrote:
> Things have changed dramatically since 1995.
> In particular, distros got a lot friendlier to install, and customise.
> If theres a valid reason for Aunt Tillie to rebuild her kernel, it means
> her distro of choice is doing something wrong.
Yes, Aunt Tillie should not have to build a new kernel. But 13-year-old
Joe Geek might want to try that out, as well as your next door neighbor,
who just might be an IT guy, trying to switch his department to Linux.
> Dumbing down the learning curve doesn't necessary make things easier
> for people to learn. Reluctance to read documentation for eg is something
> that will plague us no matter how simple we make it to build kernels.
I'm not talking about dumbing down the learning curve. This is about
tools that do the job they're supposed to do in a correct way, without
having to rely on some inside voodoo magic, that is poorly documented,
if at all.
Cheers,
Viktor
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Viktor Rosenfeld
WWW: http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~rosenfel/
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-12-30 14:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 140+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-12-28 0:24 State of the new config & build system Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28 0:54 ` Dave Jones
2001-12-28 0:57 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28 1:15 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28 1:35 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-28 1:37 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28 1:41 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-28 1:47 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28 1:57 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-28 2:01 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28 14:14 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-28 14:16 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-28 17:14 ` Christer Weinigel
2001-12-28 17:39 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-29 1:44 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-29 4:09 ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-30 3:34 ` Viktor Rosenfeld
2001-12-30 4:24 ` Dave Jones
2001-12-30 14:37 ` Viktor Rosenfeld [this message]
2001-12-29 17:11 ` Christer Weinigel
2001-12-28 17:43 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28 18:17 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-28 20:54 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-29 9:24 ` Anton Blanchard
2001-12-29 16:28 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-01 4:03 ` Mike Touloumtzis
2002-01-01 8:26 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-06 8:55 ` [kbuild-devel] " Martin Mares
2002-01-06 22:19 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-09 17:16 ` Martin Mares
2002-01-01 8:55 ` Peter Samuelson
2001-12-28 22:31 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-12-28 23:02 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28 14:24 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-28 20:56 ` Kai Germaschewski
2001-12-28 21:16 ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-28 22:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-28 23:44 ` Kai Germaschewski
2001-12-30 12:05 ` [kbuild-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2001-12-29 1:27 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-29 1:53 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-29 1:57 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-29 2:10 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-29 4:06 ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-29 13:32 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-29 20:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-29 1:26 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-29 3:58 ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-29 4:21 ` Mike Castle
2001-12-29 4:44 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-29 4:52 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2001-12-29 11:10 ` PORTUGUês EM?? Astinus
2001-12-29 6:59 ` State of the new config & build system Nicholas Knight
2001-12-29 7:42 ` Miles Lane
2001-12-29 8:02 ` Nicholas Knight
2001-12-29 8:11 ` Mike Castle
2001-12-29 7:41 ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-29 8:13 ` Andrew Morton
2001-12-29 9:40 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-03 10:46 ` Pavel Machek
2002-01-03 20:29 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-03 20:35 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-03 20:46 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-03 21:30 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-03 21:50 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-03 22:11 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-03 22:44 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-04 1:49 ` Andreas Bombe
2002-01-04 2:31 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-04 21:40 ` Andreas Bombe
2001-12-28 22:51 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-29 2:54 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-29 12:43 ` Kai Germaschewski
2001-12-28 1:22 ` Dave Jones
2001-12-28 1:36 ` [kbuild-devel] " Tom Rini
2001-12-28 1:36 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28 1:38 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-28 1:30 ` [kbuild-devel] " Keith Owens
2001-12-28 9:26 ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-28 9:42 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-28 16:34 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-28 20:01 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28 20:38 ` Richard Gooch
2001-12-29 0:50 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-29 0:55 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28 18:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-28 18:24 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-28 22:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-28 22:08 ` [kbuild-devel] " Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28 22:29 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-28 22:29 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-28 22:58 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-29 9:18 ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2001-12-31 22:51 ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-31 22:55 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-01-01 1:21 ` Peter Samuelson
2001-12-28 19:08 ` Riley Williams
2001-12-28 19:12 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28 20:26 ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-28 20:39 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-30 13:58 ` [kbuild-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2001-12-30 17:50 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-12-30 20:53 ` Hartmut Holz
2001-12-30 20:15 ` Adrian Bunk
2002-01-01 4:29 ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-31 23:32 ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-28 23:20 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-30 11:42 ` [kbuild-devel] " Kai Henningsen
2001-12-31 8:24 ` GOTO Masanori
2001-12-31 6:50 ` GOTO Masanori
2001-12-28 22:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-28 22:31 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-29 21:24 ` [kbuild-devel] " Tom Rini
2001-12-29 22:43 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-29 23:12 ` Tom Rini
2001-12-30 0:22 ` Russell King
2001-12-30 0:11 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-30 5:39 ` Rob Landley
2001-12-30 13:59 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-30 17:14 ` David Woodhouse
2001-12-30 17:32 ` Tom Rini
2001-12-30 17:44 ` Russell King
2001-12-28 20:39 ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-28 20:41 ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-28 20:45 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28 21:19 ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-28 21:12 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28 22:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-28 23:05 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-12-29 0:59 ` Legacy Fishtank
2001-12-29 19:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-29 3:21 ` [kbuild-devel] " Keith Owens
2001-12-28 23:13 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-28 23:04 ` Eric S. Raymond
2001-12-28 23:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-28 23:12 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-12-29 13:01 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-28 22:47 ` Martin Dalecki
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2001-12-28 23:25 Stewart Smith
2001-12-29 12:01 Wayne.Brown
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