From: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>
To: Dave Jones <davej@suse.de>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
Linux Kernel List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: ISA slot detection on PCI systems?
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:47:57 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020102164757.A16976@thyrsus.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020102163043.A16513@thyrsus.com> <Pine.LNX.4.33.0201022247470.427-100000@Appserv.suse.de>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0201022247470.427-100000@Appserv.suse.de>; from davej@suse.de on Wed, Jan 02, 2002 at 10:48:28PM +0100
Dave Jones <davej@suse.de>:
> > Consider the lives of people administering large server farms or
> > clusters. Their hardware is not necessarily homogenous, and the
> > ability to query the DMI tables on the fly could be useful both
> > for administration and automatic process migration.
>
> Given that 'dmidecode' works fine in those circumstances, that's still
> not a convincing argument imo.
But only for people and programs with root privileges. It all turns
then, on whether we want to insist that all software doing hardware
probing must have root privileges to function.
I submit that the answer is "no" -- the right direction, for security
and other reasons, is to make *fewer* capabilities dependent on root
privileges rather than more, and to reject design approaches that
imply creating more suid programs to give ordinary users capabilities
that involve only *reading* config information.
There is already stuff in /proc that seems to be there for precisely this
reason. So /proc/dmi would hardly be a violation of norms.
--
<a href="http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/">Eric S. Raymond</a>
Everything that is really great and inspiring is created by the
individual who can labor in freedom.
-- Albert Einstein, in H. Eves Return to Mathematical Circles,
Boston: Prindle, Weber and Schmidt, 1988.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-01-02 22:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 187+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-01-02 20:15 ISA slot detection on PCI systems? Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-02 20:45 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-02 20:46 ` Brian Gerst
2002-01-02 20:59 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-02 20:46 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-02 21:13 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-02 21:19 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-02 21:04 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-02 22:34 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-03 9:26 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-01-03 8:44 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-01-03 12:46 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-04 15:04 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-01-02 21:00 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-02 21:23 ` Bill Nottingham
2002-01-02 21:13 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-02 21:31 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-02 21:30 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-02 21:48 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-02 21:47 ` Eric S. Raymond [this message]
2002-01-02 22:12 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-02 22:08 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-02 22:39 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-02 22:24 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-02 22:50 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-02 22:34 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-02 23:09 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-02 23:09 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-02 23:52 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-02 23:56 ` Mike Castle
2002-01-03 0:00 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-03 0:37 ` Mike Castle
2002-01-03 0:58 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-03 13:35 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-03 13:46 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-03 16:42 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-03 18:06 ` Alex
2002-01-03 18:16 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-03 18:22 ` Patrick Mochel
2002-01-03 22:26 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-03 22:20 ` Patrick Mochel
2002-01-03 22:31 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-03 18:41 ` Gábor Lénárt
2002-01-03 22:24 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-07 21:56 ` Mark H. Wood
2002-01-03 13:10 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-02 22:53 ` Mike Castle
2002-01-02 23:16 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-02 23:31 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-02 23:04 ` Lionel Bouton
2002-01-03 3:49 ` Cameron Simpson
2002-01-03 4:03 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-03 6:46 ` Mike Castle
2002-01-03 12:35 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-03 12:39 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-01-05 7:03 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-05 17:16 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-01-05 17:34 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-05 20:29 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-06 1:19 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-06 12:19 ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2002-01-06 13:16 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-06 15:26 ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2002-01-06 18:20 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-07 13:35 ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2002-01-06 21:03 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-01-06 22:16 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-07 7:42 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-01-03 16:00 ` Cryto verification of Kernel against Trojan code?? Timothy Covell
2002-01-03 21:58 ` ISA slot detection on PCI systems? Cameron Simpson
2002-01-03 21:15 ` Lionel Bouton
2002-01-03 21:26 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-05 6:58 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-02 22:46 ` Lionel Bouton
2002-01-02 22:51 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-02 22:48 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-02 23:10 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-03 2:10 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-03 2:44 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-03 3:03 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-03 3:26 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-03 3:18 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-03 3:36 ` Brian Gerst
2002-01-03 3:35 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-03 4:15 ` Brian Gerst
2002-01-03 4:15 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-03 4:27 ` Brian Gerst
2002-01-03 4:30 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-03 3:39 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-03 3:34 ` Brian Gerst
2002-01-03 14:37 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-04 7:09 ` [OT] " Paul Duncan
2002-01-03 11:25 ` Henrik Hovi
2002-01-05 7:09 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-03 14:31 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-03 15:00 ` Jesse Pollard
2002-01-03 15:15 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-01-04 15:30 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-01-03 5:30 ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-03 5:42 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-03 5:55 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-03 5:46 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-03 9:14 ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-03 9:09 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-03 12:14 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-03 12:34 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-01-04 18:28 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-01-04 19:04 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-01-04 19:05 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-04 19:21 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-01-04 19:41 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-04 20:09 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-08 12:52 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-04 20:19 ` David Weinehall
2002-01-04 20:30 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-01-04 20:36 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-05 7:12 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-04 20:20 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-01-04 20:44 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-04 19:45 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-04 19:50 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-01-04 19:54 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-04 20:24 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-01-04 20:31 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-04 20:33 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-04 20:56 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-01-04 20:57 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-04 20:49 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-04 21:08 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-04 20:59 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-04 21:18 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-04 21:23 ` Patrick Mochel
2002-01-05 0:13 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-04 21:17 ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-04 21:04 ` Charles Cazabon
2002-01-05 17:28 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-04 19:36 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-01-04 19:45 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-01-04 20:08 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-01-03 16:52 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-03 17:01 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-03 17:27 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-03 9:24 ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-03 14:12 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-03 3:07 ` Greg Hennessy
2002-01-03 9:08 ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-03 9:03 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-03 12:20 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-03 12:07 ` BALBIR SINGH
2002-01-03 12:40 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-03 21:44 ` Lionel Bouton
2002-01-03 22:17 ` David Weinehall
2002-01-04 18:41 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-01-03 22:36 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-04 12:10 ` Alex
2002-01-04 12:20 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-04 12:22 ` Alex
2002-01-04 12:30 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-04 12:47 ` Alex
2002-01-03 12:56 ` Urban Widmark
2002-01-03 9:19 ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-03 9:12 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-03 9:31 ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-03 10:34 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-01-03 14:42 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-04 15:39 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-01-02 23:15 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-02 23:07 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-02 23:33 ` Lionel Bouton
2002-01-02 23:37 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-03 2:19 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-03 2:17 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-02 23:19 ` Mike Castle
2002-01-02 23:23 ` Lionel Bouton
2002-01-02 23:44 ` Mike Castle
2002-01-03 0:11 ` Lionel Bouton
2002-01-03 2:20 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-05 7:05 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-05 6:56 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-03 13:00 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-02 21:59 ` Mike Castle
2002-01-02 22:08 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-02 21:22 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-02 21:28 ` Christian Koenig
2002-01-02 22:04 ` Timothy Covell
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-01-04 9:56 Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2002-01-04 10:29 ` Alan Cox
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