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From: dewar@gnat.com
To: dewar@gnat.com, mrs@windriver.com, paulus@samba.org
Cc: gcc@gcc.gnu.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	trini@kernel.crashing.org, velco@fadata.bg
Subject: Re: [PATCH] C undefined behavior fix
Date: Tue,  8 Jan 2002 19:51:35 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020109005135.90321F2FFB@nile.gnat.com> (raw)

<<Hum, where in that standard does it say that the compiler won't
scribble all over memory?  If it doesn't, does that mean that within
the confines of the language standard that the compiler can?  If you
produce an Ada compiler that did, do you think your users would feel
better when you told them you were allowed to by the language
standard?
>>

YOu are appealing to the "intent" of the C standard to say that when
referencing volatile memory, ONLY the volatile variable can be
referenced and nothing else. OK, but where do you find this intent?
Or do we just have to take Mike's word for it? If so, that's not
very helpful (i.e. to consider that there is an implicit clause
in the standard that says to consult Mike to learn the intent of
anything not spelled out).

Seriously, I just don't see the requirement stated or implied in the
standard. Perhaps I am missing some language, that's certainly possible,
it is not a document that I know by heart beginning to end.

As to your question above, the external effects of an Ada program are very
carefully stated in the standard, and no one is allowed to try to extend
this set of effects by appealing to "intent". Of course marketing requirements
say many things, e.g. you can obviously compute A+B by recursive incrementing,
and of course that satisfies the standard, but it is obviously useless.

Now if you are claiming that generating efficient code to access a 16-bit
volatile quantity (by loading 32 bits) is in the same category, I absolutely
do not buy that at all.

             reply	other threads:[~2002-01-09  0:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 202+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-01-09  0:51 dewar [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-01-10 19:01 [PATCH] C undefined behavior fix Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-10 12:18 dewar
2002-01-10 12:37 ` Erik Trulsson
2002-01-10 15:27   ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-10  9:03 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-10 10:40 ` David Weinehall
2002-01-10  4:33 dewar
2002-01-10  2:16 dewar
2002-01-10  1:22 dewar
2002-01-10  1:21 dewar
2002-01-10  4:37 ` Tim Hollebeek
2002-01-09 21:54 dewar
2002-01-09 20:32 dewar
2002-01-09 21:43 ` Paul Koning
2002-01-09 20:08 dewar
2002-01-09 19:53 mike stump
2002-01-09 20:12 ` Paul Koning
2002-01-09 10:42 dewar
2002-01-09 10:41 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-09 21:59 ` Gérard Roudier
2002-01-09 10:40 dewar
2002-01-09  9:06 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-09  9:25 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2002-01-09  2:18 dewar
2002-01-09  2:13 dewar
2002-01-09  1:51 mike stump
2002-01-09  1:19 dewar
2002-01-08 11:12 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-11  9:52 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-08  9:44 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-08 11:44 ` 'jtv'
2002-01-08  0:16 mike stump
2002-01-08 11:33 ` jtv
2002-01-07 23:46 mike stump
2002-01-07 23:20 dewar
2002-01-07 23:15 dewar
2002-01-07 23:12 dewar
2002-01-07 23:11 dewar
2002-01-07 22:56 mike stump
2002-01-07 22:26 Tim McDaniel
2002-01-07 19:36 mike stump
2002-01-07 21:21 ` Theodore Tso
2002-01-08  0:19 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-08  1:02   ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-07 19:18 mike stump
2002-01-07 19:17 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-07 18:38 mike stump
2002-01-07 13:29 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-07 13:24 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-07 21:49 ` jtv
2002-01-07 22:28   ` Tim Hollebeek
2002-01-07 22:16     ` jtv
2002-01-08  0:27       ` J.A. Magallon
2002-01-08 11:41         ` jtv
2002-01-08 12:36           ` Alexandre Oliva
2002-01-08 12:58             ` jtv
2002-01-09 19:47         ` Gérard Roudier
2002-01-09 20:44           ` jtv
2002-01-09 23:49           ` J.A. Magallon
2002-01-10  0:19             ` Peter Barada
2002-01-10  1:47               ` Fergus Henderson
2002-01-10 15:30                 ` Peter Barada
2002-01-10 10:13             ` Matthias Benkmann
2002-01-10 10:44           ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2002-01-06 19:32 dewar
2002-01-06 19:29 dewar
2002-01-06 19:29 dewar
2002-01-06 18:37 mike stump
2002-01-06 18:24 mike stump
2002-01-06 20:37 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2002-01-06 21:59   ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-06 22:19     ` Jakub Jelinek
2002-01-07  0:09       ` Tom Rini
2002-01-07  1:40         ` Alexandre Oliva
2002-01-06 18:20 mike stump
2002-01-06 16:22 dewar
2002-01-06 16:39 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-06 19:27   ` Laurent Guerby
2002-01-06 19:43     ` Alan Cox
2002-01-06 13:43 dewar
2002-01-06 13:55 ` Laurent Guerby
2002-01-06 13:41 dewar
2002-01-06 16:58 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2002-01-06 13:16 dewar
2002-01-06 13:22 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2002-01-06 13:07 dewar
2002-01-06 13:05 dewar
2002-01-06 13:41 ` Laurent Guerby
2002-01-06  7:56 mike stump
2002-01-06  4:26 dewar
2002-01-06  5:32 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-06 11:09   ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-06  0:52 dewar
2002-01-04 22:43 dewar
2002-01-06  3:40 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-04 12:15 dewar
2002-01-04 12:14 dewar
2002-01-03 13:28 dewar
2002-01-04  8:38 ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-04 11:35   ` Joseph S. Myers
2002-01-05 19:25     ` jkl
2002-01-05 19:37       ` Joseph S. Myers
2002-01-05 20:06         ` jkl
2002-01-05 21:42           ` Joseph S. Myers
2002-01-06  4:09         ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-05 20:01       ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-05 20:17         ` jkl
2002-01-05 20:51           ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-03 12:51 dewar
2002-01-03 10:35 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-03 10:05 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-03 10:49 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-03 11:59   ` Lars Brinkhoff
2002-01-03 23:53     ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-04  9:52       ` Lars Brinkhoff
2002-01-05  6:45         ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-06  0:20           ` Lars Brinkhoff
2002-01-09  9:28   ` Fergus Henderson
2002-01-09 10:58     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2002-01-03  0:49 dewar
2002-01-03  0:12 dewar
2002-01-03  0:32 ` jtv
2002-01-06 19:37   ` Alexandre Oliva
2002-01-02 23:53 dewar
2002-01-02 23:59 ` Joe Buck
2002-01-03  3:12   ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-03 15:45     ` Joe Buck
2002-01-02 17:40 Petr Vandrovec
2002-01-02 22:24 ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-02 22:39   ` Joe Buck
2002-01-02 22:59     ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-03 18:44   ` Alexandre Oliva
2002-01-02 10:02 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-02 23:02 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-02 23:27   ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-01 23:03 Momchil Velikov
2002-01-01 23:43 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02  6:54   ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-02 15:39     ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 15:50       ` Jakub Jelinek
2002-01-02 16:45         ` Paul Koning
2002-01-02 22:56     ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-02 23:37       ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-03  2:51         ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-03  6:29           ` law
2002-01-03 13:16             ` Lars Brinkhoff
2002-01-04  9:05       ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-04 22:14         ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-02 14:56   ` Joseph S. Myers
2002-01-02 10:29 ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-02 10:41   ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-02 13:11     ` Jakub Jelinek
2002-01-02 15:54       ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 11:28 ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-01-02 11:40   ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-02 15:59     ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 11:48   ` Alan Cox
2002-01-02 19:09 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 20:13   ` Joe Buck
2002-01-02 20:42     ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 21:36   ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-02 22:05     ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 22:23       ` jtv
2002-01-02 23:12         ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 23:45           ` jtv
2002-01-03  0:01             ` Tom Rini
2002-01-03  0:07               ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-03  0:16                 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-03  1:12                   ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-03  0:20                 ` jtv
2002-01-03  2:33                 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-03  8:32                   ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-03 10:10                     ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-03 22:41                       ` Tim Hollebeek
2002-01-04  8:48                       ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-03 10:03                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-01-03  0:25               ` Alan Cox
2002-01-03  0:35                 ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-03  2:10                   ` Tom Rini
2002-01-03 22:39                     ` Pavel Machek
2002-01-04  9:29                       ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-03 15:46                   ` Edgar Toernig
2002-01-03 16:48                     ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-03 17:13                     ` jtv
2002-01-03 21:26                   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-01-02 22:27       ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-02 22:35         ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 22:44           ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-02 22:50             ` Tom Rini
2002-01-03 22:40         ` Pavel Machek
2002-01-04  8:42           ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-02 23:11   ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-02 23:26     ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 23:28     ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-02 23:34       ` Tom Rini
2002-01-03  0:19         ` jtv
2002-01-03  0:29           ` Tom Rini
2002-01-03  1:03             ` jtv
2002-01-03  1:17               ` Tom Rini
2002-01-03 17:44                 ` jtv
2002-01-04  8:42   ` Florian Weimer

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