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From: dewar@gnat.com
To: dewar@gnat.com, mrs@windriver.com, paulus@samba.org
Cc: gcc@gcc.gnu.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	trini@kernel.crashing.org, velco@fadata.bg
Subject: Re: [PATCH] C undefined behavior fix
Date: Tue,  8 Jan 2002 21:13:43 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020109021343.26DD2F2FFB@nile.gnat.com> (raw)

<<and we load each one into our app, and place c1, c2 and c3 immediately
next to each other, and then run foo1, then foo2, then foo3, and then
check the side effects, c1, c2 and c3, I would claim we _must_ get
write 1 c1, write 2 c2, write 3 c3, and at the end, c1, c2 c3 should
be 1,2,3.  I find it obvious.
>>

Yes, of course! No one disagrees. I am talking about *LOADS* not stores,
your example is 100% irrelevant to my point, since it does stores.

If you think I was talking about stores (look back in the thread, you
will see that is your misconception), then no WONDER you are puzzled
by what you *thought* I said :-)

<<In part, it is because gcc has adopted this model of independent
translation units, that makes it a hard requirement in the case above,
for the accesses to be byte based.  Because if it had not, gcc would
not be able to implement the intended required semantics of each of
the units.  The requirements of the standard forced this because of
the implementation choice.
>>

All this is true, but totally irrelevant to the point I was making, which
was about loads, not stores.

>>Welcome to the world of programming.

If you feel that I need a welcome to the world of programming (in which
I have lived for 38 years, producing several million lines of delivered
commercial code), then it is likely you are misunderstanding what I
am saying :-)

Robert

             reply	other threads:[~2002-01-09  2:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 202+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-01-09  2:13 dewar [this message]
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2002-01-10 19:01 [PATCH] C undefined behavior fix Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-10 12:18 dewar
2002-01-10 12:37 ` Erik Trulsson
2002-01-10 15:27   ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-10  9:03 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-10 10:40 ` David Weinehall
2002-01-10  4:33 dewar
2002-01-10  2:16 dewar
2002-01-10  1:22 dewar
2002-01-10  1:21 dewar
2002-01-10  4:37 ` Tim Hollebeek
2002-01-09 21:54 dewar
2002-01-09 20:32 dewar
2002-01-09 21:43 ` Paul Koning
2002-01-09 20:08 dewar
2002-01-09 19:53 mike stump
2002-01-09 20:12 ` Paul Koning
2002-01-09 10:42 dewar
2002-01-09 10:41 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-09 21:59 ` Gérard Roudier
2002-01-09 10:40 dewar
2002-01-09  9:06 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-09  9:25 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2002-01-09  2:18 dewar
2002-01-09  1:51 mike stump
2002-01-09  1:19 dewar
2002-01-09  0:51 dewar
2002-01-08 11:12 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-11  9:52 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-08  9:44 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-08 11:44 ` 'jtv'
2002-01-08  0:16 mike stump
2002-01-08 11:33 ` jtv
2002-01-07 23:46 mike stump
2002-01-07 23:20 dewar
2002-01-07 23:15 dewar
2002-01-07 23:12 dewar
2002-01-07 23:11 dewar
2002-01-07 22:56 mike stump
2002-01-07 22:26 Tim McDaniel
2002-01-07 19:36 mike stump
2002-01-07 21:21 ` Theodore Tso
2002-01-08  0:19 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-08  1:02   ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-07 19:18 mike stump
2002-01-07 19:17 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-07 18:38 mike stump
2002-01-07 13:29 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-07 13:24 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-07 21:49 ` jtv
2002-01-07 22:28   ` Tim Hollebeek
2002-01-07 22:16     ` jtv
2002-01-08  0:27       ` J.A. Magallon
2002-01-08 11:41         ` jtv
2002-01-08 12:36           ` Alexandre Oliva
2002-01-08 12:58             ` jtv
2002-01-09 19:47         ` Gérard Roudier
2002-01-09 20:44           ` jtv
2002-01-09 23:49           ` J.A. Magallon
2002-01-10  0:19             ` Peter Barada
2002-01-10  1:47               ` Fergus Henderson
2002-01-10 15:30                 ` Peter Barada
2002-01-10 10:13             ` Matthias Benkmann
2002-01-10 10:44           ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2002-01-06 19:32 dewar
2002-01-06 19:29 dewar
2002-01-06 19:29 dewar
2002-01-06 18:37 mike stump
2002-01-06 18:24 mike stump
2002-01-06 20:37 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2002-01-06 21:59   ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-06 22:19     ` Jakub Jelinek
2002-01-07  0:09       ` Tom Rini
2002-01-07  1:40         ` Alexandre Oliva
2002-01-06 18:20 mike stump
2002-01-06 16:22 dewar
2002-01-06 16:39 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-06 19:27   ` Laurent Guerby
2002-01-06 19:43     ` Alan Cox
2002-01-06 13:43 dewar
2002-01-06 13:55 ` Laurent Guerby
2002-01-06 13:41 dewar
2002-01-06 16:58 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2002-01-06 13:16 dewar
2002-01-06 13:22 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2002-01-06 13:07 dewar
2002-01-06 13:05 dewar
2002-01-06 13:41 ` Laurent Guerby
2002-01-06  7:56 mike stump
2002-01-06  4:26 dewar
2002-01-06  5:32 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-06 11:09   ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-06  0:52 dewar
2002-01-04 22:43 dewar
2002-01-06  3:40 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-04 12:15 dewar
2002-01-04 12:14 dewar
2002-01-03 13:28 dewar
2002-01-04  8:38 ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-04 11:35   ` Joseph S. Myers
2002-01-05 19:25     ` jkl
2002-01-05 19:37       ` Joseph S. Myers
2002-01-05 20:06         ` jkl
2002-01-05 21:42           ` Joseph S. Myers
2002-01-06  4:09         ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-05 20:01       ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-05 20:17         ` jkl
2002-01-05 20:51           ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-03 12:51 dewar
2002-01-03 10:35 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-03 10:05 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-03 10:49 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-03 11:59   ` Lars Brinkhoff
2002-01-03 23:53     ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-04  9:52       ` Lars Brinkhoff
2002-01-05  6:45         ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-06  0:20           ` Lars Brinkhoff
2002-01-09  9:28   ` Fergus Henderson
2002-01-09 10:58     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2002-01-03  0:49 dewar
2002-01-03  0:12 dewar
2002-01-03  0:32 ` jtv
2002-01-06 19:37   ` Alexandre Oliva
2002-01-02 23:53 dewar
2002-01-02 23:59 ` Joe Buck
2002-01-03  3:12   ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-03 15:45     ` Joe Buck
2002-01-02 17:40 Petr Vandrovec
2002-01-02 22:24 ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-02 22:39   ` Joe Buck
2002-01-02 22:59     ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-03 18:44   ` Alexandre Oliva
2002-01-02 10:02 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-02 23:02 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-02 23:27   ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-01 23:03 Momchil Velikov
2002-01-01 23:43 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02  6:54   ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-02 15:39     ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 15:50       ` Jakub Jelinek
2002-01-02 16:45         ` Paul Koning
2002-01-02 22:56     ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-02 23:37       ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-03  2:51         ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-03  6:29           ` law
2002-01-03 13:16             ` Lars Brinkhoff
2002-01-04  9:05       ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-04 22:14         ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-02 14:56   ` Joseph S. Myers
2002-01-02 10:29 ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-02 10:41   ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-02 13:11     ` Jakub Jelinek
2002-01-02 15:54       ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 11:28 ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-01-02 11:40   ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-02 15:59     ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 11:48   ` Alan Cox
2002-01-02 19:09 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 20:13   ` Joe Buck
2002-01-02 20:42     ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 21:36   ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-02 22:05     ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 22:23       ` jtv
2002-01-02 23:12         ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 23:45           ` jtv
2002-01-03  0:01             ` Tom Rini
2002-01-03  0:07               ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-03  0:16                 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-03  1:12                   ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-03  0:20                 ` jtv
2002-01-03  2:33                 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-03  8:32                   ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-03 10:10                     ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-03 22:41                       ` Tim Hollebeek
2002-01-04  8:48                       ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-03 10:03                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-01-03  0:25               ` Alan Cox
2002-01-03  0:35                 ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-03  2:10                   ` Tom Rini
2002-01-03 22:39                     ` Pavel Machek
2002-01-04  9:29                       ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-03 15:46                   ` Edgar Toernig
2002-01-03 16:48                     ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-03 17:13                     ` jtv
2002-01-03 21:26                   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-01-02 22:27       ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-02 22:35         ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 22:44           ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-02 22:50             ` Tom Rini
2002-01-03 22:40         ` Pavel Machek
2002-01-04  8:42           ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-02 23:11   ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-02 23:26     ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 23:28     ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-02 23:34       ` Tom Rini
2002-01-03  0:19         ` jtv
2002-01-03  0:29           ` Tom Rini
2002-01-03  1:03             ` jtv
2002-01-03  1:17               ` Tom Rini
2002-01-03 17:44                 ` jtv
2002-01-04  8:42   ` Florian Weimer

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