From: dewar@gnat.com
To: groudier@free.fr, jamagallon@able.es
Cc: Dautrevaux@microprocess.com, dewar@gnat.com, gcc@gcc.gnu.org,
jtv@xs4all.nl, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, paulus@samba.org,
tim@hollebeek.com, trini@kernel.crashing.org, velco@fadata.bg
Subject: Re: [PATCH] C undefined behavior fix
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 20:21:09 -0500 (EST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020110012109.E80C0F2FEB@nile.gnat.com> (raw)
<<Grrr. I really do not know why people is making so noise about volatile.
Don't look for esoteric meanings, it is just 'don't suppose ANYTHING
about this memory location, it CAN CNAHGE apart from anything you can
see or guess'.
>>
Nope, that's not enough, it's not that simple. Yes your
example of a-a is of course straightforward but what about
b = (a & 1) | (b & 1);
if a is volatile and b is known to be odd, can the read of a be eliminated?
The answer should be no (and I think the standard guarantees this), but the
reasoning is completely different from thinking about the fact that a may
change unexpectedly, since obviously no matter what value comes from
reading a, b will be set to 1 if b is known to be odd.
Of course you can provide a pragmatic justification, think of a as a hardware
counter that counts the number of times it is referenced, then this should
count as a reference, even though on an as-if basis b would have the same
value.
The Ada standard says it clearly: a read or write of a volatile variable
is an external effect. period.
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2002-01-10 1:21 dewar [this message]
2002-01-10 4:37 ` [PATCH] C undefined behavior fix Tim Hollebeek
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2002-01-07 21:21 ` Theodore Tso
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2002-01-06 22:19 ` Jakub Jelinek
2002-01-07 0:09 ` Tom Rini
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2002-01-06 18:20 mike stump
2002-01-06 16:22 dewar
2002-01-06 16:39 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-06 19:27 ` Laurent Guerby
2002-01-06 19:43 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-06 13:43 dewar
2002-01-06 13:55 ` Laurent Guerby
2002-01-06 13:41 dewar
2002-01-06 16:58 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2002-01-06 13:16 dewar
2002-01-06 13:22 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2002-01-06 13:07 dewar
2002-01-06 13:05 dewar
2002-01-06 13:41 ` Laurent Guerby
2002-01-06 7:56 mike stump
2002-01-06 4:26 dewar
2002-01-06 5:32 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-06 11:09 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-06 0:52 dewar
2002-01-04 22:43 dewar
2002-01-06 3:40 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-04 12:15 dewar
2002-01-04 12:14 dewar
2002-01-03 13:28 dewar
2002-01-04 8:38 ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-04 11:35 ` Joseph S. Myers
2002-01-05 19:25 ` jkl
2002-01-05 19:37 ` Joseph S. Myers
2002-01-05 20:06 ` jkl
2002-01-05 21:42 ` Joseph S. Myers
2002-01-06 4:09 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-05 20:01 ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-05 20:17 ` jkl
2002-01-05 20:51 ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-03 12:51 dewar
2002-01-03 10:35 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-03 10:05 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-03 10:49 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-03 11:59 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2002-01-03 23:53 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-04 9:52 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2002-01-05 6:45 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-06 0:20 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2002-01-09 9:28 ` Fergus Henderson
2002-01-09 10:58 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2002-01-03 0:49 dewar
2002-01-03 0:12 dewar
2002-01-03 0:32 ` jtv
2002-01-06 19:37 ` Alexandre Oliva
2002-01-02 23:53 dewar
2002-01-02 23:59 ` Joe Buck
2002-01-03 3:12 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-03 15:45 ` Joe Buck
2002-01-02 17:40 Petr Vandrovec
2002-01-02 22:24 ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-02 22:39 ` Joe Buck
2002-01-02 22:59 ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-03 18:44 ` Alexandre Oliva
2002-01-02 10:02 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-02 23:02 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-02 23:27 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-01 23:03 Momchil Velikov
2002-01-01 23:43 ` Tom Rini
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2002-01-02 15:39 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 15:50 ` Jakub Jelinek
2002-01-02 16:45 ` Paul Koning
2002-01-02 22:56 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-02 23:37 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-03 2:51 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-03 6:29 ` law
2002-01-03 13:16 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2002-01-04 9:05 ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-04 22:14 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-02 14:56 ` Joseph S. Myers
2002-01-02 10:29 ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-02 10:41 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-02 13:11 ` Jakub Jelinek
2002-01-02 15:54 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 11:28 ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-01-02 11:40 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-02 15:59 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 11:48 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-02 19:09 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 20:13 ` Joe Buck
2002-01-02 20:42 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 21:36 ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-02 22:05 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 22:23 ` jtv
2002-01-02 23:12 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 23:45 ` jtv
2002-01-03 0:01 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-03 0:07 ` Richard Henderson
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2002-01-03 1:12 ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-03 0:20 ` jtv
2002-01-03 2:33 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-03 8:32 ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-03 10:10 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-03 22:41 ` Tim Hollebeek
2002-01-04 8:48 ` Florian Weimer
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2002-01-03 0:25 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-03 0:35 ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-03 2:10 ` Tom Rini
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2002-01-04 9:29 ` Paul Mackerras
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2002-01-03 16:48 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-03 17:13 ` jtv
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2002-01-02 22:27 ` Richard Henderson
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2002-01-02 22:50 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-03 22:40 ` Pavel Machek
2002-01-04 8:42 ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-02 23:11 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-02 23:26 ` Tom Rini
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2002-01-02 23:34 ` Tom Rini
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