From: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
To: Dave Jones <davej@suse.de>, "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>,
Eli Carter <eli.carter@inet.com>,
"Michael Lazarou (ETL)" <Michael.Lazarou@etl.ericsson.se>,
Linux Kernel List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Aunt Tillie builds a kernel (was Re: ISA hardware discovery -- the elegant solution)
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:53:41 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020114105341.E27433@work.bitmover.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <F50839283B51D211BC300008C7A4D63F0C10759D@eukgunt002.uk.eu.ericsson.se> <20020114111141.A14332@thyrsus.com> <3C430E89.E65DCEDC@inet.com> <20020114125228.B14747@thyrsus.com> <20020114193823.H15139@suse.de>
In-Reply-To: <20020114193823.H15139@suse.de>; from davej@suse.de on Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 07:38:24PM +0100
On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 07:38:24PM +0100, Dave Jones wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 12:52:28PM -0500, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
> > She complains of occasional lockups, and that she gets skips when
> > playing her Guy Lombardo MP3s. Melvin says, over the phone: "Yup,
> > that version had some VM problems. And you need the low-latency stuff
> > that went in three releases ago.
>
> ... and the 200 patches that the vendor added that she's become
> so used to just being there...
Yeah, what Dave said. Eric, your approach is pushing Aunt Tillie towards
more variations and what the Aunt Tillie needs is less. Ditto for the
distro vendors. They want as few as possible different kernels running
out there, the more variations there the greater the support load. It's
the *opposite* of what the Linux kernel community wants, they want the
broadest coverage of combinations they can get, that shows up more bugs.
If a distro vendor could get away with exactly one kernel config, they
would. Even if it made for a 20MB kernel image, the support tradeoff
is a win.
Supporting products for Aunt Tillie is very different than supporting
products for a bunch of hackers. One wants "it works" and the other
wants "the source".
--
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Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitmover.com/lm
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-01-14 18:57 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-01-14 11:17 ISA hardware discovery -- the elegant solution Michael Lazarou (ETL)
2002-01-14 16:11 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 16:59 ` Eli Carter
2002-01-14 17:11 ` Wichert Akkerman
2002-01-14 17:52 ` Aunt Tillie builds a kernel (was Re: ISA hardware discovery -- the elegant solution) Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 18:34 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 18:26 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 18:55 ` Charles Cazabon
2002-01-14 13:32 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-14 18:54 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 14:28 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-14 22:34 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 23:02 ` Bruce Harada
2002-01-14 15:39 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-15 2:22 ` Bruce Harada
2002-01-15 13:27 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-15 0:46 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-15 12:29 ` Andrew Pimlott
2002-01-15 14:28 ` Bruce Harada
2002-01-15 17:04 ` Thomas Duffy
2002-01-15 18:19 ` Marco Colombo
2002-01-15 18:52 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-01-15 19:15 ` Manuel McLure
2002-01-15 19:28 ` Marco Colombo
2002-01-15 20:13 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-01-15 20:30 ` Manuel McLure
2002-01-15 20:41 ` arjanv
2002-01-15 20:56 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-01-15 21:27 ` Marco Colombo
2002-01-15 21:29 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-15 19:55 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-15 20:59 ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-16 14:53 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-16 13:57 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-16 10:42 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-15 13:53 ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-14 23:26 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-15 2:06 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-15 21:08 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-15 0:09 ` Mark Hahn
2002-01-15 9:14 ` Sean Hunter
2002-01-15 16:36 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-14 19:29 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-14 19:29 ` Eli Carter
2002-01-14 19:45 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-14 19:52 ` Charles Cazabon
2002-01-15 11:00 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-14 19:00 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 18:44 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 19:14 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 19:34 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-14 18:59 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-14 19:02 ` arjan
2002-01-14 19:50 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 13:01 ` gmack
2002-01-14 14:43 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-14 20:26 ` Charles Cazabon
2002-01-14 20:19 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 20:49 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-14 20:55 ` Brian Gerst
2002-01-14 21:21 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-15 11:40 ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-14 20:30 ` Justin Carlson
2002-01-15 1:30 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-15 22:46 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2002-01-15 22:56 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-16 4:09 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 20:37 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-14 20:38 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 22:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-14 22:18 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-14 22:36 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-14 22:18 ` Reid Hekman
2002-01-14 23:30 ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-14 21:05 ` Hugh Dickins
2002-01-14 21:15 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 22:08 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 23:03 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 22:41 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 23:27 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-15 1:21 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-15 12:31 ` Marco Colombo
2002-01-15 22:17 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2002-01-15 23:22 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-16 10:49 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-15 11:53 ` T. A.
2002-01-15 13:53 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-14 19:28 ` Ben Collins
2002-01-14 22:41 ` Tom Gilbert
2002-01-14 18:38 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-14 18:53 ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2002-01-14 20:50 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2002-01-15 19:34 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-15 21:38 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2002-01-15 23:44 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-16 14:33 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2002-01-16 13:05 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-16 15:27 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-15 10:05 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-14 18:33 ` ISA hardware discovery -- the elegant solution Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-14 23:02 ` Tom Gilbert
2002-01-14 18:58 ` Andrew Pimlott
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-01-14 21:08 Aunt Tillie builds a kernel (was Re: ISA hardware discovery -- the elegant solution) Dave Jones
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[not found] ` <fa.hqe5uev.c60cjs@ifi.uio.no>
2002-01-15 13:00 ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2002-01-15 13:57 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-15 14:02 ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2002-01-16 10:56 ` Horst von Brand
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