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From: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>
To: arjan@fenrus.demon.nl
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Aunt Tillie builds a kernel (was Re: ISA hardware discovery -- the elegant solution)
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:50:35 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020114145035.E17522@thyrsus.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020114132618.G14747@thyrsus.com> <m16QCNJ-000OVeC@amadeus.home.nl>
In-Reply-To: <m16QCNJ-000OVeC@amadeus.home.nl>; from arjan@fenrus.demon.nl on Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 07:02:29PM +0000

arjan@fenrus.demon.nl <arjan@fenrus.demon.nl>:
> Of course there are other settings that do have impact (CPU type mostly,
> maybe memory layout) but other than that... distros already ship several
> binary versions (last I counted Red Hat ships 11 or so with RHL72) to
> account for CPU type and amount etc.

OK.  Scenario #2:

Tillie's nephew Melvin is a junior-grade geek.  He's working his way
through college doing website administration for small businesses.  He
doesn't know C, but he can hack his way around Perl and a little PHP,
and he can type "configure; make".  He's been known to wear a penguin
T-shirt.

Some time back he set up a Linux box for Joe Foonly over at Joe's
Garage.  Joe calls him back and says "Hey, kid, I gotta problem here.
Lot of hits on that website and the machine's getting sluggish when
I'm doing my books with GnuCash on it at the same time.  But what with
the recession and all, I don't want to go buying new hardware if I can
help it."

Melvin thinks to himself "OK, let's see if we can't tune this sucker a
bit."  He runs top(1) and sees a bad shortage of free RAM; the box is
an older machine, a 586-based PCI/ISA hybrid from around 1995, and
only has 32MiB of memory in it.  But Joe doesn't want to spend money
on hardware and, since money is tight all over and Joe took care of
the state inspection for Melvin's car a few weeks ago without getting
around to billing him yet, Melvin kind of needs to make the best of
the situation.

Melvin thinks this is no problem, he'll start by building a new kernel
with some stuff trimmed out to leave more RAM for userspace.  But...
uh oh!  He nuked that source tree because free disk was getting kind
of tight, and the .config went with it.  Looks like Melvin's going to
have to reconstruct his configuration by hand.

"Crap." Melvin thinks.  "I don't remember what kind of network card I
compiled in.  Am I going to have to open this puppy up just to eyeball
the hardware?" Doing that would take time Melvin was planning to spend
chatting up a girl geek he's noticed over at the computer lab.

Autoconfigure saves the day.  Possibly it even helps Melvin get laid.
--
		<a href="http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/">Eric S. Raymond</a>

Freedom, morality, and the human dignity of the individual consists
precisely in this; that he does good not because he is forced to do
so, but because he freely conceives it, wants it, and loves it.
	-- Mikhail Bakunin 

  reply	other threads:[~2002-01-14 20:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-01-14 11:17 ISA hardware discovery -- the elegant solution Michael Lazarou (ETL)
2002-01-14 16:11 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 16:59   ` Eli Carter
2002-01-14 17:11     ` Wichert Akkerman
2002-01-14 17:52     ` Aunt Tillie builds a kernel (was Re: ISA hardware discovery -- the elegant solution) Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 18:34       ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 18:26         ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 18:55           ` Charles Cazabon
2002-01-14 13:32             ` Rob Landley
2002-01-14 18:54             ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 14:28               ` Rob Landley
2002-01-14 22:34                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 23:02                   ` Bruce Harada
2002-01-14 15:39                     ` Rob Landley
2002-01-15  2:22                       ` Bruce Harada
2002-01-15 13:27                         ` Rob Landley
2002-01-15  0:46                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-15 12:29                     ` Andrew Pimlott
2002-01-15 14:28                       ` Bruce Harada
2002-01-15 17:04                       ` Thomas Duffy
2002-01-15 18:19                         ` Marco Colombo
2002-01-15 18:52                           ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-01-15 19:15                             ` Manuel McLure
2002-01-15 19:28                             ` Marco Colombo
2002-01-15 20:13                               ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-01-15 20:30                                 ` Manuel McLure
2002-01-15 20:41                                 ` arjanv
2002-01-15 20:56                                   ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-01-15 21:27                                   ` Marco Colombo
2002-01-15 21:29                                 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-15 19:55                             ` Alan Cox
2002-01-15 20:59                               ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-16 14:53                             ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-16 13:57                         ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-16 10:42                       ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-15 13:53                     ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-14 23:26                   ` Alan Cox
2002-01-15  2:06                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-15 21:08                       ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-15  0:09                   ` Mark Hahn
2002-01-15  9:14                   ` Sean Hunter
2002-01-15 16:36                     ` Rob Landley
2002-01-14 19:29               ` Tom Rini
2002-01-14 19:29               ` Eli Carter
2002-01-14 19:45               ` Dave Jones
2002-01-14 19:52               ` Charles Cazabon
2002-01-15 11:00               ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-14 19:00           ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 18:44             ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 19:14               ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 19:34                 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-14 18:59             ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-14 19:02           ` arjan
2002-01-14 19:50             ` Eric S. Raymond [this message]
2002-01-14 13:01               ` gmack
2002-01-14 14:43               ` Rob Landley
2002-01-14 20:26               ` Charles Cazabon
2002-01-14 20:19                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 20:49                   ` Dave Jones
2002-01-14 20:55                   ` Brian Gerst
2002-01-14 21:21                   ` Alan Cox
2002-01-15 11:40                 ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-14 20:30               ` Justin Carlson
2002-01-15  1:30                 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-15 22:46                   ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2002-01-15 22:56                     ` Tom Rini
2002-01-16  4:09                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 20:37               ` Dave Jones
2002-01-14 20:38                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 22:07                   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-14 22:18                     ` Dave Jones
2002-01-14 22:36                       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-14 22:18                   ` Reid Hekman
2002-01-14 23:30                     ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-14 21:05               ` Hugh Dickins
2002-01-14 21:15               ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 22:08                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 23:03                   ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 22:41                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 23:27                       ` Alan Cox
2002-01-15  1:21                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-15 12:31                         ` Marco Colombo
2002-01-15 22:17                 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2002-01-15 23:22                   ` Tom Rini
2002-01-16 10:49                     ` Keith Owens
2002-01-15 11:53               ` T. A.
2002-01-15 13:53               ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-14 19:28           ` Ben Collins
2002-01-14 22:41           ` Tom Gilbert
2002-01-14 18:38       ` Dave Jones
2002-01-14 18:53         ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-14 20:50           ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2002-01-15 19:34             ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-15 21:38           ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2002-01-15 23:44             ` Rob Landley
2002-01-16 14:33               ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2002-01-16 13:05                 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-16 15:27             ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-15 10:05       ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-14 18:33   ` ISA hardware discovery -- the elegant solution Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-14 23:02     ` Tom Gilbert
2002-01-14 18:58   ` Andrew Pimlott
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-01-14 21:08 Aunt Tillie builds a kernel (was Re: ISA hardware discovery -- the elegant solution) Dave Jones
     [not found] <fa.fslncfv.r6o11i@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.hqe5uev.c60cjs@ifi.uio.no>
2002-01-15 13:00   ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2002-01-15 13:57     ` Alan Cox
2002-01-15 14:02       ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2002-01-16 10:56         ` Horst von Brand

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