From: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>
To: Alexander Viro <viro@math.psu.edu>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
"Mr. James W. Laferriere" <babydr@baby-dragons.com>,
Giacomo Catenazzi <cate@debian.org>,
Linux Kernel List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Hardwired drivers are going away?
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:17:48 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020114151748.B19776@thyrsus.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020114131050.E14747@thyrsus.com> <Pine.GSO.4.21.0201141337580.224-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0201141337580.224-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu>; from viro@math.psu.edu on Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 02:09:16PM -0500
Alexander Viro <viro@math.psu.edu>:
> But it still leaves you with tristate - instead of yes/module/no it's
> yes/yes, but don't put it on initramfs/no. However, dependencies become
> simpler - all you need is "I want this, that and that on initramfs" and
> the rest can be found by depmod (i.e. configurator doesn't have to deal
> with "FOO goes on initramfs (== old Y), so BAR and BAZ must go there
> (== can't be M)").
Actually I think we may no longer be in tristate-land. Instead, some
devices have the property "This belongs in initramfs if it's configured
at all" -- specifically, drivers for potential boot devices. Everything
else can dynamic-load after boot time.
In CML2 you can assign a symbol properties, which are written into
trailing comments in the config file on the same line as the symbol
value assignment. One such property, "PRIVATE", is already
interpreted by the postprocessor that generates autoconf.h from the
configuration output; it prevents the symbol from being written to
autoconf.h.
The critical-for-boot property could be interpreted by the same
postprocessor script and turned into a manifest for initramfs. There
would be no need for the inference engine or configurator to know
about this property at all, just as it doesn't need to know anything
about PRIVATE.
--
<a href="http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/">Eric S. Raymond</a>
"To disarm the people... was the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
-- George Mason, speech of June 14, 1788
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-01-14 20:36 UTC|newest]
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2002-01-14 10:14 ` ISA hardware discovery -- the elegant solution Giacomo Catenazzi
2002-01-14 16:16 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 16:38 ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2002-01-14 16:34 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 17:48 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 17:55 ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2002-01-14 18:08 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 18:10 ` Hardwired drivers are going away? Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 18:50 ` David Lang
2002-01-14 19:04 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 18:57 ` David Lang
2002-01-14 19:03 ` Andrew Pimlott
2002-01-14 19:21 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-15 10:45 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-15 11:13 ` crispin
2002-01-15 14:25 ` David Lang
2002-01-14 19:00 ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2002-01-14 19:17 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 19:14 ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2002-01-14 19:37 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 20:28 ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2002-01-14 19:44 ` David Lang
2002-01-14 20:09 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-14 20:49 ` Chris Friesen
2002-01-14 20:55 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-14 20:51 ` Ian Molton
2002-01-14 22:11 ` David Lang
2002-01-14 23:12 ` Brian Gerst
2002-01-14 23:17 ` David Lang
2002-01-14 23:22 ` Ian Molton
2002-01-15 0:40 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-14 19:54 ` David Lang
2002-01-15 17:27 ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-01-15 17:47 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-15 19:48 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-18 12:39 ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-18 22:20 ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2002-01-18 23:22 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-20 23:20 ` Frank van de Pol
2002-01-21 0:54 ` Bruce Harada
2002-01-21 3:49 ` Andreas Ferber
2002-01-21 4:45 ` Bruce Harada
2002-01-21 5:12 ` Andreas Ferber
2002-01-21 1:06 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-01-21 1:07 ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2002-01-21 1:30 ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-21 1:53 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-21 2:04 ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-21 2:25 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-21 2:56 ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-21 3:43 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-21 4:24 ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-21 3:44 ` yodaiken
2002-01-21 20:57 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-01-21 2:13 ` John Levon
2002-01-21 2:31 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-21 23:52 ` Thomas Zimmerman
2002-01-21 9:34 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-21 14:29 ` John Levon
2002-01-21 1:31 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-01-14 19:27 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-15 17:24 ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-01-15 18:17 ` David Lang
2002-01-15 19:25 ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-01-15 19:44 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-01-14 18:54 ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2002-01-14 18:56 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 18:39 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 19:09 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-14 14:19 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-14 22:33 ` Greg KH
2002-01-15 11:35 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-15 15:34 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-14 19:24 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 20:17 ` Eric S. Raymond [this message]
2002-01-14 14:57 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-14 20:51 ` David Lang
2002-01-14 22:18 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-15 19:20 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-16 9:00 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 23:12 ` Rusty Russell
2002-02-09 0:19 ` Dr. Kelsey Hudson
2002-01-14 17:59 ` ISA hardware discovery -- the elegant solution Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 18:35 ` Alan Cox
[not found] <20020115025840.11509.qmail@science.horizon.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-01-15 12:16 ` Hardwired drivers are going away? Andi Kleen
2002-01-15 2:58 peter
2002-01-15 12:44 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-15 12:39 ` David S. Miller
2002-01-15 18:39 ` Rob Landley
[not found] <mailman.1011034621.1626.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2002-01-14 23:33 ` Pete Zaitcev
[not found] <fa.g055bvv.qmq0hk@ifi.uio.no>
[not found] ` <ksahkuv.tg60gl@ifi.uio.no>
2002-01-14 22:22 ` Chris Adams
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-08-05 0:39 module unresolved symbols rich+ml
2001-08-05 0:49 ` Jesse Pollard
2001-08-05 0:51 ` Steven Walter
2001-08-05 1:48 ` Keith Owens
2001-08-05 16:06 ` Horst von Brand
2001-08-06 11:18 ` Keith Owens
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