From: Sean Hunter <sean@dev.sportingbet.com>
To: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>,
Rob Landley <landley@trommello.org>,
Charles Cazabon <charlesc@discworld.dyndns.org>,
Linux Kernel List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
Eli Carter <eli.carter@inet.com>,
"Michael Lazarou \(ETL\)" <Michael.Lazarou@etl.ericsson.se>
Subject: Re: Aunt Tillie builds a kernel (was Re: ISA hardware discovery -- the elegant solution)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:14:14 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020115091414.A3928@dev.sportingbet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020114125228.B14747@thyrsus.com> <20020114125508.A3358@twoflower.internal.do> <20020114135412.D17522@thyrsus.com> <20020114223042.ENDG28486.femail48.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> <20020114173423.A23081@thyrsus.com>
In-Reply-To: <20020114173423.A23081@thyrsus.com>; from esr@thyrsus.com on Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 05:34:23PM -0500
On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 05:34:23PM -0500, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
> Because the second we stop thinking about Aunt Tillie,
> we start making excuses for badly-designed interfaces and excessive
> complexity.
Bollocks. The second we (including you) stop thinking about the _user_ of the
technology, we make bad decisions. This is not the same thing.
We don't expect Aunt Tillie to write kernel drivers for her knitting machine.
She (and we) expect(s) someone else to do that for her.
The Aunt Tillies of this world don't install of update Windows (or Mac O/S) for
themselves except perhaps via "Windows Update" or "Apple Update", which (guess
what) supplies a prebuilt binary and DOESN'T BUILD THEM A KERNEL.
Besides any other factor, the download/install/reboot time is less than the
download-full-tarball/untar/configure/compile/install/reboot cycle.
Sean
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-01-15 9:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-01-14 11:17 ISA hardware discovery -- the elegant solution Michael Lazarou (ETL)
2002-01-14 16:11 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 16:59 ` Eli Carter
2002-01-14 17:11 ` Wichert Akkerman
2002-01-14 17:52 ` Aunt Tillie builds a kernel (was Re: ISA hardware discovery -- the elegant solution) Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 18:34 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 18:26 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 18:55 ` Charles Cazabon
2002-01-14 13:32 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-14 18:54 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 14:28 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-14 22:34 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 23:02 ` Bruce Harada
2002-01-14 15:39 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-15 2:22 ` Bruce Harada
2002-01-15 13:27 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-15 0:46 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-15 12:29 ` Andrew Pimlott
2002-01-15 14:28 ` Bruce Harada
2002-01-15 17:04 ` Thomas Duffy
2002-01-15 18:19 ` Marco Colombo
2002-01-15 18:52 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-01-15 19:15 ` Manuel McLure
2002-01-15 19:28 ` Marco Colombo
2002-01-15 20:13 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-01-15 20:30 ` Manuel McLure
2002-01-15 20:41 ` arjanv
2002-01-15 20:56 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-01-15 21:27 ` Marco Colombo
2002-01-15 21:29 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-15 19:55 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-15 20:59 ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-16 14:53 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-16 13:57 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-16 10:42 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-15 13:53 ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-14 23:26 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-15 2:06 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-15 21:08 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-15 0:09 ` Mark Hahn
2002-01-15 9:14 ` Sean Hunter [this message]
2002-01-15 16:36 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-14 19:29 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-14 19:29 ` Eli Carter
2002-01-14 19:45 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-14 19:52 ` Charles Cazabon
2002-01-15 11:00 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-14 19:00 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 18:44 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 19:14 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 19:34 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-14 18:59 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-14 19:02 ` arjan
2002-01-14 19:50 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 13:01 ` gmack
2002-01-14 14:43 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-14 20:26 ` Charles Cazabon
2002-01-14 20:19 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 20:49 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-14 20:55 ` Brian Gerst
2002-01-14 21:21 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-15 11:40 ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-14 20:30 ` Justin Carlson
2002-01-15 1:30 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-15 22:46 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2002-01-15 22:56 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-16 4:09 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 20:37 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-14 20:38 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 22:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-14 22:18 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-14 22:36 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-14 22:18 ` Reid Hekman
2002-01-14 23:30 ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-14 21:05 ` Hugh Dickins
2002-01-14 21:15 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 22:08 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 23:03 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-14 22:41 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-14 23:27 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-15 1:21 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-15 12:31 ` Marco Colombo
2002-01-15 22:17 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2002-01-15 23:22 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-16 10:49 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-15 11:53 ` T. A.
2002-01-15 13:53 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-14 19:28 ` Ben Collins
2002-01-14 22:41 ` Tom Gilbert
2002-01-14 18:38 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-14 18:53 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-14 20:50 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2002-01-15 19:34 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-15 21:38 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2002-01-15 23:44 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-16 14:33 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2002-01-16 13:05 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-16 15:27 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-15 10:05 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-14 18:33 ` ISA hardware discovery -- the elegant solution Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-14 23:02 ` Tom Gilbert
2002-01-14 18:58 ` Andrew Pimlott
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-01-14 21:08 Aunt Tillie builds a kernel (was Re: ISA hardware discovery -- the elegant solution) Dave Jones
[not found] <fa.fslncfv.r6o11i@ifi.uio.no>
[not found] ` <fa.hqe5uev.c60cjs@ifi.uio.no>
2002-01-15 13:00 ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2002-01-15 13:57 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-15 14:02 ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2002-01-16 10:56 ` Horst von Brand
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