From: Tommy Faasen <faasen@xs4all.nl>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: vm philosophising
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:42:39 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020118154239.A11920@xs4all.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0201180522020.19716-100000@falcon.etf.bg.ac.yu> <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0201180235210.32617-100000@imladris.surriel.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0201180235210.32617-100000@imladris.surriel.com>; from riel@conectiva.com.br on Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 02:36:02AM -0200
On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 02:36:02AM -0200, Rik van Riel wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Bosko Radivojevic wrote:
>
> > There is no way to make one good VM for all possible situations. But,
> > you can tune/make one VM to work great on large DBMS (e.g.) and
> > tune/make another one to work great on ordinary desktop systems
>
> This is an interesting assertion ... but up to date nobody has
> been able to tell me what exactly should be different between
> these two mythical VMs ;)
>
I have no clue about VM's but I can imagine that for example the following situations have different requirements:
1-Desktop: many "small" apps, I believe exe's remain in memory and data is written to disk? Anyway I can imagine fragmentation and latency is an issue here.
2-DBMS: 1 or 2 big programs which sometimes even do their own memory management.Fragmentation and latency isn't issue here I think however moving ltos of data to and from swap is.
3-Webserver: for example apache with many childs being created under high load and killed under low load. The data is always small (in case of static pages). So a lot of small swaps? Latency is not as much as un issue but I can imagine that fragmentation can be an issue?
I think these 3 situations behave very differently, but then again it's just what I think. I can also imagine that more situations are possible but not many.
I also indictated that we have a few parameters we can optimise for like latency, fragmentation and moving a lot small chunks, or occasionally 1 big chunk.
I know from an AI perspective that optimize for 3 different parameters is difficult.
> regards,
>
> Rik
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2002-01-16 19:04 ` Rik spreading bullshit about VM Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-16 20:11 ` Jose Luis Domingo Lopez
2002-01-16 20:58 ` Richard Gooch
2002-01-16 21:10 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-16 21:17 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-17 13:42 ` [lkml] " Ian Soboroff
2002-01-18 3:21 ` ...Re: " Dan Mann
2002-01-17 0:20 ` Luigi Genoni
2002-01-16 21:17 ` Craig Knox
2002-01-16 20:58 ` Bongani Hlope
2002-01-16 20:55 ` John Levon
2002-01-16 21:21 ` Bongani Hlope
2002-01-16 21:29 ` Adam Kropelin
2002-01-17 14:17 ` async buffer flushing reported slowdown (could be a driver issue?) Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-18 0:28 ` Adam Kropelin
2002-01-16 21:58 ` Rik spreading bullshit about VM Diego Calleja
2002-01-16 22:02 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-17 14:35 ` bugfix backed out Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-17 15:04 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-17 15:52 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-17 14:25 ` oom failures with mem=4m Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-16 21:59 ` Rik spreading bullshit about VM Diego Calleja
2002-01-16 22:44 ` Chris Chabot
2002-01-17 8:18 ` Christoph Rohland
2002-01-17 14:13 ` blkdev speedup Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-17 0:07 ` Rik spreading bullshit about VM Erik Mouw
2002-01-17 0:25 ` J Sloan
2002-01-17 1:15 ` Erik Mouw
2002-01-17 17:40 ` bill davidsen
2002-01-17 14:14 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-18 4:30 ` Bosko Radivojevic
2002-01-18 4:36 ` vm philosophising Rik van Riel
2002-01-18 4:58 ` Matthew Johnson
2002-01-18 5:12 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-18 5:18 ` Ryan Cumming
2002-01-18 5:43 ` Matthew Johnson
2002-01-21 17:55 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-01-18 6:05 ` Matthew Johnson
2002-01-18 14:42 ` Tommy Faasen [this message]
2002-01-18 15:52 ` listmail
2002-01-21 15:50 ` The Doctor What
2002-01-21 16:16 ` Mike Harrold
2002-01-18 15:55 ` Mr. Shannon Aldinger
2002-01-18 18:39 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-18 19:23 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-18 20:17 ` David Schwartz
2002-01-18 21:39 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-19 4:42 ` David Luyer
2002-01-19 18:00 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-20 5:42 ` Stevie O
2002-01-17 0:38 ` Rik spreading bullshit about VM Rik van Riel
2002-01-17 1:50 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-01-17 11:45 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-17 12:02 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2002-01-17 2:14 ` Andrea Scrimieri
2002-01-17 12:07 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-17 13:11 ` Andrea Scrimieri
2002-01-17 13:15 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-17 14:02 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-17 21:41 ` Trever L. Adams
2002-01-18 1:46 ` brian
2002-01-17 1:52 ` Stephen Satchell
2002-01-17 13:26 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-17 15:10 ` clarification about redhat and vm Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-17 15:21 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-17 16:17 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-17 16:31 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-18 16:46 ` Wilhelm Nuesser
2002-01-18 19:07 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-19 10:50 ` Christoph Rohland
2002-01-19 13:54 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-19 17:38 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-18 16:53 ` Willi Nüßer
2002-01-19 4:49 vm philosophising David Luyer
2002-01-19 5:46 ` David Weinehall
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