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From: Tommy Faasen <faasen@xs4all.nl>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: vm philosophising
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:42:39 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020118154239.A11920@xs4all.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0201180522020.19716-100000@falcon.etf.bg.ac.yu> <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0201180235210.32617-100000@imladris.surriel.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0201180235210.32617-100000@imladris.surriel.com>; from riel@conectiva.com.br on Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 02:36:02AM -0200

On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 02:36:02AM -0200, Rik van Riel wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Bosko Radivojevic wrote:
> 
> > There is no way to make one good VM for all possible situations. But,
> > you can tune/make one VM to work great on large DBMS (e.g.) and
> > tune/make another one to work great on ordinary desktop systems
> 
> This is an interesting assertion ... but up to date nobody has
> been able to tell me what exactly should be different between
> these two mythical VMs ;)
> 
I have no clue about VM's but I can imagine that for example the following situations have different requirements:
1-Desktop: many "small" apps, I believe exe's remain in memory and data is written to disk? Anyway I can imagine fragmentation and latency is an issue here.
2-DBMS: 1 or 2 big programs which sometimes even do their own memory management.Fragmentation and latency isn't issue here I think however moving ltos of data to and from swap is.
3-Webserver: for example apache with many childs being created under high load and killed under low load. The data is always small (in case of static pages). So a lot of small swaps? Latency is not as much as un issue but I can imagine that fragmentation can be an issue?

I think these 3 situations behave very differently, but then again it's just what I think. I can also imagine that more situations are possible but not many.
I also indictated that we have a few parameters we can optimise for like latency, fragmentation and moving a lot small chunks, or occasionally 1 big chunk.

I know from an AI perspective that optimize for 3 different parameters is difficult.
> regards,
> 
> Rik
> -- 
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-01-18 14:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0201162235480.32617-100000@imladris.surriel .com>
2002-01-16 19:04 ` Rik spreading bullshit about VM Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-16 20:11   ` Jose Luis Domingo Lopez
2002-01-16 20:58   ` Richard Gooch
2002-01-16 21:10     ` Dave Jones
2002-01-16 21:17       ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-17 13:42         ` [lkml] " Ian Soboroff
2002-01-18  3:21         ` ...Re: " Dan Mann
2002-01-17  0:20       ` Luigi Genoni
2002-01-16 21:17     ` Craig Knox
2002-01-16 20:58   ` Bongani Hlope
2002-01-16 20:55     ` John Levon
2002-01-16 21:21       ` Bongani Hlope
2002-01-16 21:29   ` Adam Kropelin
2002-01-17 14:17     ` async buffer flushing reported slowdown (could be a driver issue?) Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-18  0:28       ` Adam Kropelin
2002-01-16 21:58   ` Rik spreading bullshit about VM Diego Calleja
2002-01-16 22:02     ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-17 14:35       ` bugfix backed out Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-17 15:04         ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-17 15:52           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-17 14:25     ` oom failures with mem=4m Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-16 21:59   ` Rik spreading bullshit about VM Diego Calleja
2002-01-16 22:44   ` Chris Chabot
2002-01-17  8:18     ` Christoph Rohland
2002-01-17 14:13     ` blkdev speedup Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-17  0:07   ` Rik spreading bullshit about VM Erik Mouw
2002-01-17  0:25     ` J Sloan
2002-01-17  1:15       ` Erik Mouw
2002-01-17 17:40       ` bill davidsen
2002-01-17 14:14     ` Alan Cox
2002-01-18  4:30     ` Bosko Radivojevic
2002-01-18  4:36       ` vm philosophising Rik van Riel
2002-01-18  4:58         ` Matthew Johnson
2002-01-18  5:12           ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-18  5:18           ` Ryan Cumming
2002-01-18  5:43             ` Matthew Johnson
2002-01-21 17:55               ` Bill Davidsen
2002-01-18  6:05             ` Matthew Johnson
2002-01-18 14:42         ` Tommy Faasen [this message]
2002-01-18 15:52           ` listmail
2002-01-21 15:50           ` The Doctor What
2002-01-21 16:16             ` Mike Harrold
2002-01-18 15:55         ` Mr. Shannon Aldinger
2002-01-18 18:39         ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-18 19:23           ` Alan Cox
2002-01-18 20:17             ` David Schwartz
2002-01-18 21:39               ` Alan Cox
2002-01-19  4:42             ` David Luyer
2002-01-19 18:00               ` Rob Landley
2002-01-20  5:42               ` Stevie O
2002-01-17  0:38   ` Rik spreading bullshit about VM Rik van Riel
2002-01-17  1:50     ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-01-17 11:45       ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-17 12:02         ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2002-01-17  2:14     ` Andrea Scrimieri
2002-01-17 12:07       ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-17 13:11         ` Andrea Scrimieri
2002-01-17 13:15           ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-17 14:02             ` Alan Cox
2002-01-17 21:41             ` Trever L. Adams
2002-01-18  1:46               ` brian
2002-01-17  1:52   ` Stephen Satchell
2002-01-17 13:26   ` Alan Cox
2002-01-17 15:10     ` clarification about redhat and vm Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-17 15:21       ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-17 16:17       ` Alan Cox
2002-01-17 16:31         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-18 16:46         ` Wilhelm Nuesser
2002-01-18 19:07           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-19 10:50             ` Christoph Rohland
2002-01-19 13:54               ` Alan Cox
2002-01-19 17:38                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-18 16:53         ` Willi Nüßer
2002-01-19  4:49 vm philosophising David Luyer
2002-01-19  5:46 ` David Weinehall

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