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From: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>
To: Linux Kernel List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:00:57 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020129130057.A15914@thyrsus.com> (raw)

Ingo Molnar:
>If a patch gets ignored 33 times in a row then perhaps the person doing
>the patch should first think really hard about the following 4 issues:
>
>  - cleanliness
>  - concept
>  - timing
>  - testing
>
>a violation of any of these items can cause patch to be dropped *without
>notice*. Face it, it's not Linus' task to teach people how to code or how
>to write correct patches. Sure, he still does teach people most of the
>time, but you cannot *expect* him to be able to do it 100% of the time.

Since the "33 times in a row" seems to refer to my bad experience with the
Configure.help patches, I think I need to correct a misconception.

The patches in question were *documentation*.  No concept issue, no
timing issue, no testing issue (I don't know what a "cleanliness"
issue would be in this context).  I know that Michael Elizabeth
Chastain, the listed CML1 maintainer, has had similar frustrating
exoeriences trying to get documentation patches folded in.

We're not talking about obscure internals changes that could break the
kernel, we're talking zero-risk patches submitted by official maintainers.  
This is not a situation that ought to require a lot of judgment or
attention on Linus's part.  

The fact that Linus *does* have to pass on all such patches, and is
dropping a lot of them them on the floor, is the clearest possible
example of the weaknesses in the present system.
-- 
		<a href="http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/">Eric S. Raymond</a>

             reply	other threads:[~2002-01-29 18:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 351+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-01-29 18:00 Eric S. Raymond [this message]
     [not found] <20020131035810.B3284@havoc.gtf.org>
2002-01-31 12:03 ` A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin Keith Owens
2002-01-31 17:48   ` Jeff Garzik
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-01-30 18:33 Dana Lacoste
2002-01-30 22:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30  7:29 John L. Males
2002-01-30  1:23 Ed Tomlinson
2002-01-29 23:14 Jesse Pollard
     [not found] <p73aduwddni.fsf@oldwotan.suse.de.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <200201292208.g0TM8ql17622@ns.caldera.de.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found]   ` <a377bn$1go$1@penguin.transmeta.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-01-29 23:01     ` Andi Kleen
2002-01-29 23:13       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-29 23:40         ` Nathan Scott
2002-01-29 23:59           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30  1:35           ` Stuart Young
2002-01-30  1:00         ` Rob Landley
2002-01-30  1:12           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-29 22:42 Nickolaos Fotopoulos
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.33.0201291324560.3610-100000@localhost.localdomain.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <E16VYD8-0003ta-00@the-village.bc.nu.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-01-29 21:56   ` Andi Kleen
2002-01-29 22:08     ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-01-29 22:20       ` Andi Kleen
2002-01-29 22:22       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-29 23:03         ` Alan Cox
2002-01-29 22:24     ` Andreas Dilger
2002-01-29 22:31       ` Andi Kleen
2002-01-29 18:57 Greg Boyce
2002-01-29 16:27 Dana Lacoste
2002-01-29  7:43 Alexei Podtelezhnikov
2002-01-29  1:53 John Weber
2002-01-29  5:15 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-29 11:04 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-29 15:56   ` Denis Vlasenko
2002-01-29 18:14 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-29 18:33 ` Olaf Dietsche
2002-01-29 22:12   ` James Stevenson
2002-01-30  1:00 ` Stuart Young
2002-01-30  1:18   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30  1:41     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-30  1:32   ` Stuart Young
2002-01-29  1:28 A modest proposal -- we " Brad Chapman
2002-01-28 14:10 A modest proposal -- We " Rob Landley
2002-01-29  0:44 ` Matthew D. Pitts
2002-01-29  1:37 ` Francesco Munda
2002-01-29  3:23   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-29  4:47     ` Rob Landley
2002-01-29  6:00       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-29  6:12         ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-29  6:49           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-29 11:45             ` Martin Dalecki
2002-01-29 14:26               ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-29 17:37               ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2002-01-29 19:23                 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-29 19:33                   ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-29 23:43                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 13:19             ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-01-29 13:40               ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-29 23:51               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-30  1:33                 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-30  1:46                   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30  3:45                     ` Rob Landley
2002-01-30 10:39                 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-30 11:21                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-30 12:39                     ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-29  7:33         ` Rob Landley
2002-01-29  7:52           ` Greg KH
2002-01-29 14:24           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-29  7:10       ` Stuart Young
2002-01-29  7:53         ` Nix N. Nix
2002-01-29 19:24         ` Patrick Mochel
2002-01-29  7:38       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29  8:39         ` George Bonser
2002-01-29 11:29         ` Xavier Bestel
2002-01-29 13:54       ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-29 12:31         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 14:52           ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-29 22:04             ` Ville Herva
2002-01-29 22:07             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 22:24               ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-30  4:37               ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-30  7:20                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-30  7:48                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30  8:11                     ` Greg KH
2002-01-30  9:22                     ` Rob Landley
2002-01-30 15:16                       ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-30 10:14                     ` Alan Cox
2002-01-30 15:49                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 15:42                     ` Tom Rini
2002-01-30 16:03                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 16:07                         ` Tom Rini
2002-01-30 16:11                           ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 16:18                             ` Tom Rini
2002-01-30 16:37                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 16:47                                 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-30 20:50                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-01-31  0:28                             ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-30 16:14                         ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-30 16:23                           ` Tom Rini
2002-01-30 16:32                           ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 16:43                             ` Tom Rini
2002-01-30 16:59                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 18:35                             ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-30 16:43                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 16:59                                 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-30 18:48                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-30 17:25                                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 18:23                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 19:38                                       ` Georg Nikodym
2002-01-30 20:45                                         ` Tom Rini
2002-01-30 21:17                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 21:57                                           ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 21:58                                           ` Eli Carter
2002-01-30 22:17                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 22:36                                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 23:14                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-31 13:00                                                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-30 23:18                                                 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-31  1:57                                                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-31  3:12                                                     ` Rob Landley
2002-01-31  3:51                                                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-31  4:58                                                         ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-31  5:08                                                           ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-31  6:02                                                             ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-31  6:15                                                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-31  6:23                                                             ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-01-31  6:37                                                               ` Larry McVoy
     [not found]                                                                 ` <20020131074924.QZMB10685.femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there>
2002-01-31 17:13                                                                   ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-01-31 17:19                                                                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-31 17:35                                                                       ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-02-01  0:29                                                                       ` Keith Owens
2002-02-01  1:04                                                                         ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-01  1:37                                                                           ` Keith Owens
2002-02-01 11:11                                                                           ` Horst von Brand
2002-02-01 11:30                                                                             ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-01 16:43                                                                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-01 22:57                                                                                 ` Keith Owens
2002-02-01 16:38                                                                             ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-01 17:12                                                                               ` Wayne Scott
2002-02-01 10:55                                                                       ` Nix N. Nix
2002-01-31  5:16                                                         ` Rob Landley
2002-01-31  5:46                                                           ` Keith Owens
2002-01-31  5:55                                                             ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-31  6:03                                                               ` Keith Owens
2002-01-31  6:07                                                                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-31  6:33                                                                   ` Keith Owens
2002-01-30 23:57                                                 ` Kenneth Johansson
     [not found]                                       ` <m3d6zraqn1.fsf@linux.local>
2002-01-31 15:12                                         ` Tom Rini
2002-02-12 22:59                                     ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-12 23:14                                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-13  2:08                                       ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-13 12:07                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2002-02-13 16:55                                           ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-22 16:06                                             ` Hans Reiser
2002-02-23  5:00                                               ` Mark Hahn
2002-02-25 17:13                                               ` Randy.Dunlap
2002-03-01 19:29                                                 ` Rob Landley
2002-03-01 19:35                                                   ` Martin Dalecki
2002-03-01 19:03                                               ` Rob Landley
2002-03-01 11:05                                                 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-30 16:47                               ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-30 16:59                                 ` Josh MacDonald
2002-01-30 17:04                                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 17:41                                   ` Andreas Dilger
2002-01-30 18:51                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-31  1:43                     ` Val Henson
2002-01-30  7:58                   ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-30  8:09                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30  8:36                       ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-30  9:21                         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 10:05                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-30 10:06                           ` Alan Cox
2002-01-30 10:18                             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 17:11                               ` Greg KH
2002-01-30 18:35                                 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-30 18:29                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 21:15                                     ` Erik Andersen
2002-01-30 21:14                                 ` Erik Andersen
2002-01-30 23:06                                   ` Alan Cox
2002-01-30 23:48                                     ` Erik Andersen
2002-01-31  0:03                                       ` Andre Hedrick
2002-01-31  0:13                                       ` Dave Jones
2002-01-31  0:33                                       ` Alan Cox
2002-01-30 17:20                             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 22:06                               ` Bill Davidsen
2002-01-31 12:14                             ` Martin Dalecki
2002-01-31 13:34                               ` Ian Molton
2002-01-31 14:17                               ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-31 12:27                                 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-31 15:01                                   ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-31 12:28                                 ` David Weinehall
2002-01-31 12:52                                   ` Martin Dalecki
2002-01-31 14:31                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-31 12:56                                     ` Martin Dalecki
2002-01-31 15:07                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-31 13:45                                         ` Russell King
2002-01-31 21:08                               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-01-30 12:29                           ` Dave Jones
2002-01-30  8:36                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-30  8:39                         ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-30 12:41                     ` Kees Bakker, Kees Bakker
2002-01-30 14:15                   ` Charles Cazabon
2002-01-30  7:41               ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-30  7:58                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 13:22         ` Alan Cox
2002-01-29 15:29           ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-29 16:10           ` Dave McCracken
2002-01-29 18:46         ` Rob Landley
2002-01-30 15:56           ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-29 19:51         ` Kai Henningsen
2002-01-30  2:46           ` Dave Jones
2002-01-30 11:57             ` Denis Vlasenko
2002-01-30  8:29               ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30  9:38                 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-30  9:43                   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 19:40                     ` Rob Landley
2002-01-30 19:42                       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30  9:59               ` Alan Cox
2002-01-29 22:35         ` Bill Davidsen
2002-01-30 15:48         ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2002-01-29  5:01     ` Rob Landley
2002-01-29 11:49     ` Martin Dalecki
2002-01-29 13:13       ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-01-29 13:43         ` Alan Cox
2002-01-31 11:24           ` Martin Dalecki
2002-01-31 11:53             ` Alan Cox
2002-01-31 11:20         ` Martin Dalecki
2002-01-29 14:33       ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-29 13:14         ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-01 13:38           ` Ingo Molnar
2002-02-01 11:53             ` Martin Dalecki
2002-01-29 13:14         ` Alan Cox
2002-01-29 15:18           ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-29 13:40             ` Alan Cox
2002-01-29 13:47               ` Dave Jones
2002-01-30 11:42                 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-01-29 16:15               ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-29 14:27                 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-29 14:43                   ` Russell King
2002-01-30  9:44                     ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-30 10:14                       ` Russell King
2002-01-29 16:36                   ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-29 14:54                     ` Alan Cox
2002-01-29 16:41                       ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-29 15:35                     ` Eli Carter
2002-01-29 16:47                     ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-29 14:53                       ` Patrick Mauritz
2002-01-29 20:03                         ` Kai Henningsen
2002-01-30  3:15                           ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-01-30  6:30                             ` Kai Henningsen
2002-01-29 20:10                     ` toon
2002-01-30  9:40                     ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-29 22:57               ` Rob Landley
2002-01-29 23:47                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-01-30  5:57                   ` Mark Hahn
2002-01-29 22:45           ` Bill Davidsen
2002-01-29 23:14             ` Craig Christophel
2002-01-30  4:26               ` Shawn
2002-01-29 14:30     ` Skip Ford
2002-01-29 17:36       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-29 17:51         ` Michael Sterrett -Mr. Bones.-
2002-01-29 23:34         ` Rob Landley
2002-01-29 23:50           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30  0:07             ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-30  0:39               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30  0:52                 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-30  0:23             ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-01-30  0:27             ` Chris Ricker
2002-01-30  0:44               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30  1:38                 ` Miles Lane
2002-01-30  8:06                   ` Rob Landley
2002-01-30  8:47                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30  9:03                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30  9:33                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 10:07                         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 10:25                         ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-30 10:32                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-05  1:03                           ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-04-05  1:21                             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-04 16:40                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-05 10:12                               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-01-30 12:59                       ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-30 15:31                         ` Alan Cox
2002-01-30 17:29                           ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-30 17:59                             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 16:06                         ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 16:34                           ` Jochen Friedrich
2002-01-30 16:39                             ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 18:03                             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 20:06                           ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-30 20:17                             ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 21:02                               ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-30 21:18                                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 22:13                                   ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-30 22:25                                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 22:36                                       ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-30  2:45                 ` Chris Ricker
2002-01-30  2:54                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30  4:14                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 12:49                   ` Matthew D. Pitts
2002-01-30 13:26                     ` Dave Jones
2002-01-30 19:11                     ` Juan Quintela
2002-01-30 21:03                     ` Rob Landley
2002-01-30 22:03                       ` Francois Romieu
2002-01-30 22:20                         ` Rob Landley
2002-01-30 22:39                       ` Jesse Pollard
2002-01-31  2:39                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-31  3:29                           ` Rob Landley
2002-01-31  3:40                             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-31  5:32                               ` Rob Landley
2002-01-31  5:57                                 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-31  6:03                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-31  6:27                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-31  6:43                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-31  3:41                             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-31  3:54                               ` Keith Owens
2002-01-31 16:40                           ` Jesse Pollard
2002-01-30  9:19                 ` Russell King
2002-01-30  9:44                   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 19:55                   ` Jacob Luna Lundberg
2002-01-30 20:00                     ` Russell King
2002-01-30 21:56                     ` Bill Davidsen
2002-01-31  2:45                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-30 21:57                     ` Karl
2002-01-30  1:40             ` Rob Landley
2002-01-30 11:56             ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-01-30 13:13             ` Daniel Egger
2002-01-30 16:26             ` Andre Hedrick
2002-01-31  1:16             ` Stuart Young
2002-01-31  1:42               ` David Lang
2002-01-30  0:08           ` Alan Cox
2002-01-30  4:36             ` Shawn
2002-01-29 23:12       ` Rob Landley
2002-01-29 22:31     ` Bill Davidsen
2002-01-30  9:50       ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-30  8:03     ` Francesco Munda
2002-01-30  8:39       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-03  1:47         ` Francesco Munda
2002-01-29  3:42   ` Rob Landley
2002-01-29 12:22     ` Dave Jones
2002-01-29 12:23   ` Padraig Brady
2002-01-30  1:32     ` Francesco Munda
2002-01-29  5:51 ` Andrew Pimlott
2002-01-29  8:00   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 13:06   ` Alan Cox
2002-01-29 14:40     ` Andrew Pimlott
2002-01-29 15:10       ` Alan Cox
2002-01-29 19:10     ` John Alvord
2002-01-29  9:55 ` Matthias Andree
2002-01-29 10:21   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 10:23   ` Jim McDonald
2002-01-29 15:51 ` Eli Carter
2002-01-30  0:40   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 19:46 ` Jordan Mendelson
2002-01-29 22:23   ` Ragnar Hojland Espinosa

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