From: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>
To: Rob Landley <landley@trommello.org>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
mingo@elte.hu, Martin Dalecki <dalecki@evision-ventures.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>
Subject: Re: A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:47:42 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020129184742.A20998@thyrsus.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E16VYVH-0003x8-00@the-village.bc.nu> <200201292256.g0TMu1U20885@snark.thyrsus.com>
In-Reply-To: <200201292256.g0TMu1U20885@snark.thyrsus.com>; from landley@trommello.org on Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 05:57:08PM -0500
Rob Landley <landley@trommello.org>:
> And we ARE using a patch penguin. You were around, and Dave is
> around. I'm kind of confused at the level of resistence to formally
> recognizing what basically IS current practice, and has been for
> YEARS. (The reason for naming the position is we can't just say
> "alan's tree" anymore. The position went from one person to another
> person, and as such the position seemed to need to be recognized as
> being separate from the individual. I didn't expect to hit a brick
> wall on that. It didn't seem like a revolutionary idea to me...)
Alas. That's because, like most Americans these days, you're
historically illiterate. What we are facing here is a *very* familiar
problem to social and institutional historians.
All movements founded by charismatic leaders like Linus eventually hit
this same wall -- the point at which the charisma of the founder and
the individual ability of the disciples he personally attracts are no
longer adequate to meet the challenges of success, and some way to
institutionalize and distribute the leader's role has to be found.
Movements that fail to make this transition die, generally by
implosion or fragmenting into feuding sub-sects.
If you were familiar with the historical precedents, Rob, you would
understand that your modest proposal re-enacts a common pattern.
A relatively junior member of the movement, one with few political
ties, sees the developing stress fractures in the organization of
the movement and proposes a modest, incremental change to relieve
some of them. Conservatives interpret the attempt to separate
and institutionalize part of the founder's role as an attack on
the authority of the founder. Huge flamewars ensue, with the
original pragmatic sense of the proposal often being lost as it
becomes a political football in the movement's internal status games.
Sometimes the first such attempt at institutionization succeeds. More
often, the movement has to go through a series of escalating crises
(burning up would-be reformers each time) before anyone finally
succeeds in changing the movement's internal culture.
Religions go through this. Secular social movements go through this.
Companies founded by brilliant entrepreneurs go through this (the
B-schools have a whole literature on "entrepreneurial overcontrol" and
its consequences). It's one of the dramas that gets perpetually
re-enacted; it's built in to our wiring. The unhappy truth is that
even *successful* transitions of this kind are invariably painful, and
often leave deep scars on the survivors and on the institution that
arises from the transition.
*Never* expect this sort of transition to be easy, especially when the
positions people are taking are as much about personal identity and
values as they are about "success" in whatever terms the movement
defines it.
--
<a href="http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/">Eric S. Raymond</a>
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2002-01-28 14:10 A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin Rob Landley
2002-01-29 0:44 ` Matthew D. Pitts
2002-01-29 1:37 ` Francesco Munda
2002-01-29 3:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-29 4:47 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-29 6:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-29 6:12 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-29 6:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-29 11:45 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-01-29 14:26 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-29 17:37 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2002-01-29 19:23 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-29 19:33 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-29 23:43 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 13:19 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-01-29 13:40 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-29 23:51 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-30 1:33 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-30 1:46 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 3:45 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-30 10:39 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-30 11:21 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-30 12:39 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-30 13:28 ` Wanted: Volunteer to code a Patchbot Daniel Phillips
2002-01-30 15:11 ` Rasmus Andersen
2002-01-30 15:28 ` Rasmus Andersen
2002-01-30 15:46 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-31 0:49 ` Stuart Young
2002-01-31 1:26 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-31 1:39 ` Stuart Young
2002-01-31 13:51 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-31 15:29 ` Patrick Mauritz
2002-01-31 16:31 ` Jan Harkes
2002-01-31 22:05 ` Horst von Brand
2002-02-01 8:05 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-01 1:03 ` Stuart Young
2002-01-30 13:45 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-30 13:45 ` Tim Waugh
2002-01-30 17:46 ` Patrick Mochel
2002-01-30 18:33 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-03 18:54 ` Peter C. Norton
2002-02-03 23:40 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 7:33 ` A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin Rob Landley
2002-01-29 7:52 ` Greg KH
2002-01-29 22:14 ` MAINTANIANCE [was Re: A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin] James Simmons
2002-01-29 14:24 ` A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin Jeff Garzik
2002-01-29 7:10 ` Stuart Young
2002-01-29 7:53 ` Nix N. Nix
2002-01-29 19:24 ` Patrick Mochel
2002-01-29 7:38 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 8:39 ` George Bonser
2002-01-29 11:29 ` Xavier Bestel
2002-01-29 13:54 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-29 12:31 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 14:52 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-29 22:04 ` Ville Herva
2002-01-29 22:07 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 22:24 ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-30 4:37 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-30 7:20 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-30 7:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 8:11 ` Greg KH
2002-01-30 9:22 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-30 15:16 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-30 10:14 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-30 15:49 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 15:42 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-30 16:03 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 16:07 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-30 16:11 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 16:18 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-30 16:37 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 16:47 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-30 20:50 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-01-31 0:28 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-30 16:14 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-30 16:23 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-30 16:32 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 16:43 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-30 16:59 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 18:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-30 16:43 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 16:59 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-30 18:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-30 17:25 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 18:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 19:38 ` Georg Nikodym
2002-01-30 20:45 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-30 21:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 21:57 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 21:58 ` Eli Carter
2002-01-30 22:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 22:36 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 23:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-31 13:00 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-30 23:18 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-31 1:57 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-31 3:12 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-31 3:51 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-31 4:58 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-31 5:08 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-31 6:02 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-31 6:15 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-31 6:23 ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-01-31 6:37 ` Larry McVoy
[not found] ` <20020131074924.QZMB10685.femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there>
2002-01-31 17:13 ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-01-31 17:19 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-31 17:35 ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-02-01 0:29 ` Keith Owens
2002-02-01 1:04 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-01 1:37 ` Keith Owens
2002-02-01 11:11 ` Horst von Brand
2002-02-01 11:30 ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-01 11:42 ` 2.4.16 cannot connect to www.sun.com Joe Wong
2002-02-01 11:59 ` Chris Chabot
2002-02-01 12:00 ` David Woodhouse
2002-02-01 16:43 ` A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin Larry McVoy
2002-02-01 22:57 ` Keith Owens
2002-02-02 0:15 ` Bitkeeper change granularity (was Re: A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin) Rob Landley
2002-02-02 15:03 ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-02 20:07 ` Rob Landley
2002-02-01 16:38 ` A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin Larry McVoy
2002-02-01 17:12 ` Wayne Scott
2002-02-01 23:45 ` Bitkeeper change granularity (was Re: A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin) Rob Landley
2002-02-02 1:19 ` Charles Cazabon
2002-02-02 5:50 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-02 15:12 ` Charles Cazabon
2002-02-02 5:49 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-02 15:56 ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-01 20:47 ` Rob Landley
2002-02-02 6:17 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-03 13:03 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-02-01 10:55 ` A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin Nix N. Nix
2002-01-31 5:16 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-31 5:46 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-31 5:55 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-31 6:03 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-31 6:07 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-31 6:33 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-30 23:57 ` Kenneth Johansson
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2002-01-31 15:12 ` Tom Rini
2002-02-12 22:59 ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-12 23:14 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-13 2:08 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-13 12:07 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-02-13 16:55 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-22 16:06 ` Hans Reiser
2002-02-23 5:00 ` Mark Hahn
2002-02-25 17:13 ` Randy.Dunlap
2002-03-01 19:29 ` Rob Landley
2002-03-01 19:35 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-03-01 19:03 ` Rob Landley
2002-03-01 11:05 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-30 16:47 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-30 16:59 ` Josh MacDonald
2002-01-30 17:04 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 17:41 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-01-30 18:51 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-31 1:43 ` Val Henson
2002-01-30 7:58 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-30 8:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 8:36 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-30 9:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 10:05 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-30 10:06 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-30 10:18 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 17:11 ` Greg KH
2002-01-30 18:35 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-30 18:29 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 21:15 ` Erik Andersen
2002-01-30 21:14 ` Erik Andersen
2002-01-30 23:06 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-30 23:48 ` Erik Andersen
2002-01-31 0:03 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-01-31 0:13 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-31 0:33 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-31 1:07 ` [PATCH] fix for 2.4.18-pre7 SCSI namespace conflict Erik Andersen
2002-01-30 17:20 ` A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 22:06 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-01-31 12:14 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-01-31 13:34 ` Ian Molton
2002-01-31 14:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-31 12:27 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-31 15:01 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-31 12:28 ` David Weinehall
2002-01-31 12:52 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-01-31 14:31 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-31 12:56 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-01-31 15:07 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-31 13:45 ` Russell King
2002-01-31 21:08 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-01-30 12:29 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-30 8:36 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-30 8:39 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-30 12:41 ` Kees Bakker, Kees Bakker
2002-01-30 14:15 ` Charles Cazabon
2002-01-30 7:41 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-30 7:58 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-30 8:09 ` bug tracking (was Re: A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin) Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 9:18 ` Chris Funderburg
2002-01-30 15:36 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-29 13:22 ` A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin Alan Cox
2002-01-29 15:29 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-29 16:10 ` Dave McCracken
2002-01-29 18:46 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-30 15:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-29 19:51 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-01-30 2:46 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-30 11:57 ` Denis Vlasenko
2002-01-30 8:29 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 9:38 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-30 9:43 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 19:40 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-30 19:42 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 9:59 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-29 22:35 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-01-30 15:48 ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2002-01-29 5:01 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-29 11:49 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-01-29 13:13 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-01-29 13:43 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-31 11:24 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-01-31 11:53 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-31 11:20 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-01-29 14:33 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-29 13:14 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-01 13:38 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-02-01 11:53 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-01-29 13:14 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-29 15:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-29 13:40 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-29 13:47 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-30 11:42 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-01-29 16:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-29 14:27 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-29 14:43 ` Russell King
2002-01-30 9:44 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-30 10:14 ` Russell King
2002-01-29 16:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-29 14:54 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-29 16:41 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-29 15:35 ` Eli Carter
2002-01-29 16:47 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-29 14:53 ` Patrick Mauritz
2002-01-29 20:03 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-01-30 3:15 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-01-30 6:30 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-01-29 16:53 ` update to MAINTAINERS list Andreas Dilger
2002-01-29 20:10 ` A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin toon
2002-01-30 9:40 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-29 22:57 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-29 23:47 ` Eric S. Raymond [this message]
2002-01-30 5:57 ` Mark Hahn
2002-01-29 22:45 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-01-29 23:14 ` Craig Christophel
2002-01-30 4:26 ` Shawn
2002-01-29 14:30 ` Skip Ford
2002-01-29 17:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-29 17:51 ` Michael Sterrett -Mr. Bones.-
2002-01-29 23:34 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-29 23:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 0:07 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-30 0:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 0:52 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-30 0:23 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-01-30 0:27 ` Chris Ricker
2002-01-30 0:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 1:38 ` Miles Lane
2002-01-30 8:06 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-30 8:47 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 9:03 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 9:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 10:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 17:24 ` real BK usage (was: A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin) Andreas Dilger
2002-01-30 17:34 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 20:03 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-01-31 17:11 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-31 19:01 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-31 21:56 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-01-30 17:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 10:25 ` A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin Momchil Velikov
2002-01-30 10:32 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-05 1:03 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-04-05 1:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-04 16:40 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-04-05 2:19 ` patch-2.4.19-pre5-ac2 Jonathan A. Davis
2002-04-05 6:57 ` patch-2.4.19-pre5-ac2 Peter Horton
2002-04-05 10:18 ` patch-2.4.19-pre5-ac2 Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-04-05 10:12 ` A modest proposal -- We need a patch penguin Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-01-30 12:59 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-30 15:31 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-30 17:29 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-30 17:59 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 16:06 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 16:34 ` Jochen Friedrich
2002-01-30 16:39 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 18:03 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 20:06 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-30 20:17 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 21:02 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-30 21:18 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 22:13 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-30 22:25 ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-30 22:36 ` Roman Zippel
2002-01-30 2:45 ` Chris Ricker
2002-01-30 2:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-30 4:14 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 12:49 ` Matthew D. Pitts
2002-01-30 13:26 ` Dave Jones
2002-01-30 19:11 ` Juan Quintela
2002-01-30 21:03 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-30 22:03 ` Francois Romieu
2002-01-30 22:20 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-30 22:39 ` Jesse Pollard
2002-01-31 2:39 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-31 3:29 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-31 3:40 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-31 5:32 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-31 5:57 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-31 6:03 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-31 6:27 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-31 6:43 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-31 3:41 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-31 3:54 ` Keith Owens
2002-01-31 14:28 ` [lkml] " Ian Soboroff
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2002-02-01 5:48 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-01 19:11 ` Craig Schlenter
2002-01-31 16:40 ` Jesse Pollard
2002-01-30 9:19 ` Russell King
2002-01-30 9:44 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-30 19:55 ` Jacob Luna Lundberg
2002-01-30 20:00 ` Russell King
2002-01-30 21:56 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-01-31 2:45 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-30 21:57 ` Karl
2002-01-30 1:40 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-30 11:56 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-01-30 13:13 ` Daniel Egger
2002-01-30 16:26 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-01-31 1:16 ` Stuart Young
2002-01-31 1:42 ` David Lang
2002-01-30 0:08 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-30 4:36 ` Shawn
2002-01-29 23:12 ` Rob Landley
2002-01-29 22:31 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-01-30 9:50 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-30 8:03 ` Francesco Munda
2002-01-30 8:39 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-03 1:47 ` Francesco Munda
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2002-02-13 12:45 ` David S. Miller
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2002-02-13 13:10 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-18 17:36 ` Eric W. Biederman
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2002-02-13 16:49 ` David S. Miller
2002-02-13 16:55 ` Martin Dalecki
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2002-02-13 19:02 ` Linus Torvalds
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2002-01-29 9:55 ` Matthias Andree
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2002-01-29 1:28 A modest proposal -- we " Brad Chapman
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2001-11-30 16:39 ` Henning Schmiedehausen
2001-11-30 16:47 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-11-30 17:15 ` Henning Schmiedehausen
2001-11-30 17:23 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-30 17:27 ` Larry McVoy
2001-11-30 17:49 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-30 18:07 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-30 18:13 ` Larry McVoy
2001-11-30 18:43 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-30 19:05 ` Larry McVoy
2001-11-30 21:54 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-30 22:06 ` Larry McVoy
2001-11-30 22:17 ` Andrew Morton
2001-11-30 22:51 ` rddunlap
2001-11-30 23:57 ` Linux/Pro [was Re: Coding style - a non-issue] Larry McVoy
2001-12-01 1:13 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-12-01 1:15 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-01 2:17 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-12-01 2:14 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-01 11:41 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-01 23:05 ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-02 20:29 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-02 20:34 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-02 20:55 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-12-02 21:32 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-02 21:59 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-12-04 1:55 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-04 9:12 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-02 21:19 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-12-03 6:38 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-12-02 21:23 ` Andrew Morton
2001-12-02 21:39 ` Dave Jones
2001-12-02 22:10 ` Andrew Morton
2001-12-04 16:46 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-12-04 1:49 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-02 21:24 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-02 22:52 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-12-02 23:54 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-03 12:08 ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-04 9:36 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-12-04 15:30 ` Over 4-way systems considered harmful :-) M. Edward Borasky
2001-12-04 17:41 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-05 5:07 ` M. Edward Borasky
2001-12-05 17:43 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-12 19:17 ` Matthew Fredrickson
2001-12-05 22:45 ` Pavel Machek
2001-12-04 20:48 ` Todd Underwood
2001-12-05 4:23 ` M. Edward Borasky
2001-12-04 1:59 ` Linux/Pro [was Re: Coding style - a non-issue] Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-06 13:46 ` Pavel Machek
2001-12-06 20:50 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-06 21:09 ` Wilson
2001-12-04 9:21 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2001-12-04 9:40 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 11:55 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2001-12-03 23:01 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-12-04 3:38 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-04 6:32 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-04 9:07 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 9:27 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2001-12-04 23:02 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-04 23:31 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-04 23:37 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-05 0:36 ` SMP/cc Cluster description [was Linux/Pro] Larry McVoy
2001-12-05 2:02 ` erich
2001-12-05 9:09 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-05 18:01 ` Jeff Merkey
2001-12-05 19:40 ` Loadable drivers [was SMP/cc Cluster description ] erich
2001-12-05 20:04 ` erich
2001-12-05 20:28 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-12-05 21:17 ` erich
2001-12-06 16:34 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-12-06 20:14 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-12-07 0:37 ` erich
2001-12-07 13:34 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-12-06 4:49 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-07 0:41 ` erich
2001-12-05 2:36 ` SMP/cc Cluster description David S. Miller
2001-12-05 3:23 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-05 6:05 ` David S. Miller
2001-12-05 6:51 ` Jeff Merkey
2001-12-06 2:52 ` Rusty Russell
2001-12-06 3:19 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-12-06 7:56 ` David S. Miller
2001-12-06 8:02 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-06 8:09 ` David S. Miller
2001-12-06 18:27 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2001-12-06 18:37 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2001-12-06 18:36 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-06 18:45 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2001-12-06 19:11 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-12-06 19:34 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2001-12-06 23:16 ` David Lang
2001-12-07 2:56 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2001-12-07 4:23 ` David Lang
2001-12-07 5:45 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2001-12-06 19:42 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-06 19:53 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-06 20:10 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-06 20:10 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-06 20:15 ` David S. Miller
2001-12-06 20:21 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-06 21:02 ` David S. Miller
2001-12-06 22:27 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-12-06 22:59 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-06 23:08 ` David S. Miller
2001-12-06 23:26 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-07 2:49 ` Adam Keys
2001-12-07 4:40 ` Jeff Dike
2001-12-06 21:30 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-07 8:54 ` Henning Schmiedehausen
2001-12-07 16:06 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-07 16:44 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-07 17:23 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-07 18:04 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-07 18:23 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-07 18:42 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-07 18:48 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-07 19:06 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-07 19:00 ` Daniel Bergman
2001-12-07 19:07 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-09 9:24 ` Pavel Machek
2001-12-06 22:37 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-06 22:35 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-06 22:54 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-07 2:34 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-07 2:50 ` David S. Miller
2001-12-06 22:38 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-06 22:32 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-06 22:48 ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-06 22:55 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-06 23:15 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-06 23:19 ` David S. Miller
2001-12-06 23:32 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-06 23:47 ` David S. Miller
2001-12-07 0:17 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-07 2:37 ` David S. Miller
2001-12-07 2:43 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-07 2:59 ` David S. Miller
2001-12-07 3:17 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-06 14:24 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-06 17:28 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-12-06 17:52 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-06 18:10 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-12-05 8:12 ` Momchil Velikov
2001-12-05 3:25 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-12-05 3:17 ` Stephen Satchell
2001-12-05 14:23 ` SMP/cc Cluster description [was Linux/Pro] Rob Landley
2001-12-06 0:24 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-06 0:34 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-05 20:09 ` Rob Landley
2001-12-05 19:05 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-05 19:11 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-05 14:33 ` Rob Landley
2001-12-05 21:02 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-05 21:05 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-05 21:14 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-05 21:25 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-05 21:36 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-05 21:41 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-05 22:13 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-12-05 22:12 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-05 23:37 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-12-06 9:50 ` Henning Schmiedehausen
2001-12-06 9:46 ` David Lang
2001-12-06 17:11 ` Martin J. Bligh
2001-12-06 17:48 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2001-12-05 23:17 ` Nigel Gamble
2001-12-06 0:06 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-06 14:07 ` Linux/Pro [was Re: Coding style - a non-issue] Pavel Machek
2001-12-05 10:03 ` Your patch for CS432x sound driver szonyi calin
2001-12-01 10:09 ` Linux/Pro [was Re: Coding style - a non-issue] Alan Cox
2001-12-01 9:30 ` Gérard Roudier
2001-12-01 23:31 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-12-02 16:21 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-12-02 16:42 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-02 18:41 ` jeff millar
2001-12-01 1:18 ` Andrew Morton
2001-12-01 10:05 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-01 17:16 ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-12-02 16:19 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-12-02 16:44 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-02 17:10 ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-12-02 17:30 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-12-02 18:16 ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-12-02 18:20 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-12-02 18:26 ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-12-02 19:33 ` [MOc]cda*mirabilos
2001-12-03 0:23 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-12-02 18:59 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-02 18:54 ` M. Edward Borasky
2001-12-03 3:22 ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-03 14:31 ` M. Edward Borasky
2001-12-04 9:28 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-04 13:41 ` David Weinehall
2001-12-04 19:35 ` Dan Hollis
2001-12-04 19:57 ` David Weinehall
2001-12-04 19:34 ` Dan Hollis
2001-12-04 22:22 ` Pavel Machek
2001-12-06 0:20 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-01 1:21 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-12-01 5:01 ` Mike Fedyk
2001-12-01 22:05 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-12-05 7:05 ` Mike Fedyk
2001-12-01 16:04 ` Mark Frazer
2001-12-01 16:10 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-01 5:50 ` Mike Fedyk
2001-12-01 0:35 ` Coding style - a non-issue Rik van Riel
2001-12-01 0:44 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-01 0:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-01 1:09 ` Mike Castle
2001-12-01 1:34 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-12-01 16:05 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-12-01 16:27 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-01 18:54 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-01 1:15 ` Petko Manolov
2001-12-01 2:02 ` Tim Hockin
2001-12-01 2:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-01 23:11 ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-01 3:02 ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-12-01 3:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-01 3:30 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-01 3:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-01 4:10 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-01 4:44 ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-12-01 5:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-12-01 6:13 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-01 20:17 ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-12-01 20:30 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-01 12:34 ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-12-01 22:23 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-12-02 0:43 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-12-02 9:30 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2001-12-02 18:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-12-02 17:32 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-02 20:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-12-02 18:41 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-02 19:04 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-12-02 19:17 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-02 19:42 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-12-04 10:50 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-12-05 22:18 ` Pavel Machek
2001-12-02 20:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-12-01 8:57 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-01 13:14 ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-12-01 13:38 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-01 15:15 ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-12-01 6:31 ` Stephen Satchell
2001-12-01 7:07 ` Zilvinas Valinskas
2001-12-01 22:15 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-12-01 4:44 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-12-01 23:18 ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-02 20:25 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-02 23:51 ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-03 0:55 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-03 12:04 ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-12-03 13:20 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-12-07 18:15 ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-12-04 11:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-12-03 1:34 ` David L. Parsley
2001-12-03 3:06 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-04 1:39 ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-04 22:25 ` Ragnar Hojland Espinosa
2001-12-04 18:38 ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-12-01 5:54 ` Stephen Satchell
2001-12-01 11:18 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-01 18:05 ` Ingo Oeser
2001-12-01 18:21 ` Rik van Riel
2001-12-02 16:25 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-12-02 16:54 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2001-12-02 19:11 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-12-01 22:20 ` Horst von Brand
2001-12-02 17:18 ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-30 22:31 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-30 18:44 ` Henning Schmiedehausen
2001-11-30 17:53 ` Henning Schmiedehausen
2001-11-30 18:07 ` Larry McVoy
2001-12-01 4:12 ` Mike Fedyk
2001-12-01 5:14 ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-06 0:13 ` Rusty Russell
2001-11-30 17:31 ` Alan Cox
2001-11-30 17:55 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-30 18:07 ` Henning Schmiedehausen
2001-12-02 20:13 ` Pavel Machek
2001-12-02 21:28 ` Alan Cox
2001-12-02 21:30 ` Dave Jones
2001-12-01 0:12 ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-30 18:37 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-12-01 1:17 ` Keith Owens
2001-12-01 8:54 ` Gérard Roudier
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2001-11-29 1:56 ` Matthias Andree
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