From: Josh MacDonald <jmacd@CS.Berkeley.EDU>
To: Momchil Velikov <velco@fadata.bg>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Radix-tree pagecache for 2.5
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 02:41:29 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020131024128.B14482@helen.CS.Berkeley.EDU> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0201291515480.1747-100000@penguin.transmeta.com> <87d6zrlefa.fsf@fadata.bg> <15448.28224.481925.430169@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <87wuxzjxjm.fsf@fadata.bg>
In-Reply-To: <87wuxzjxjm.fsf@fadata.bg>; from velco@fadata.bg on Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 12:15:09AM +0200
Quoting Momchil Velikov (velco@fadata.bg):
> >>>>> "John" == John Stoffel <stoffel@casc.com> writes:
>
> Momchil> Memory overhead due to allocator overhead is of no concern with the
> Momchil> slab allocator. What matters most is probably the overhead of the
> Momchil> radix tree nodes themselves, compared to the two pointers in struct
> Momchil> page with the hash table approach. rat-4 variant ought to have less
> Momchil> overhead compared to rat-7 at the expense of deeper/higher tree. I
> Momchil> have no figures for the actual memory usage though. For small files it
> Momchil> should be negligible, i.e. one radix tree node, 68 or 516 bytes for
> Momchil> rat-4 or rat-7, for a file of size up to 65536 or 524288 bytes. The
> Momchil> worst case would be very large file with a few cached pages with
> Momchil> offsets uniformly distributed across the whole file, that is having
> Momchil> deep tree with only one page hanging off each leaf node.
>
> John> Isn't this a good place to use AVL trees then, since they balance
> John> automatically? Admittedly, it may be more overhead than we want in
> John> the case where the tree is balanced by default anyway.
>
> The widespread opinion is that binary trees are generally way too deep
> compared to radix trees, so searches have larger cache footprint.
I've posted this before -- my cache-optimized skip list solves the
problem of balanced-tree cache footprint. It uses cacheline-sized
nodes and per-node locking to avoid false-sharing and increase
concurrency. The memory usage for the skip list is also less than
the red-black tree for trees larger than several hundred nodes.
I posted a graph on space consumption (using the Linux vm_area_struct to
calculate space overhead) at:
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/skiplist/slrb_space.gif
There are also results for concurrency and performance as a function
of node size.
-josh
--
PRCS version control system http://sourceforge.net/projects/prcs
Xdelta storage & transport http://sourceforge.net/projects/xdelta
Need a concurrent skip list? http://sourceforge.net/projects/skiplist
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-01-31 10:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-01-29 15:54 [PATCH] Radix-tree pagecache for 2.5 Christoph Hellwig
2002-01-29 19:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-29 21:40 ` David S. Miller
2002-01-29 22:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-29 23:01 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-29 23:32 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-29 23:35 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-30 3:00 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-31 23:44 ` Anton Blanchard
2002-02-01 0:34 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-01 11:04 ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-01 11:33 ` Arjan van de Ven
2002-02-02 18:57 ` Richard Henderson
2002-02-02 21:15 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-29 23:02 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-29 23:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-29 23:45 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-01-30 21:25 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-30 22:05 ` John Stoffel
2002-01-30 22:15 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-31 2:33 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-31 13:58 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-31 14:36 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-31 15:32 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-31 16:39 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-01-31 17:19 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-01-31 17:21 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-31 17:50 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-01-31 17:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-31 18:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-31 18:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-31 18:38 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-31 18:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-31 19:09 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-31 19:26 ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-31 21:12 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-31 19:14 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-31 19:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-31 21:34 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-31 23:12 ` Anton Blanchard
2002-01-31 23:55 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-02-01 0:01 ` David S. Miller
2002-02-16 16:20 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-02-01 3:56 ` Anton Blanchard
2002-02-01 6:32 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-02-01 18:38 ` Anton Blanchard
2002-02-01 9:04 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-02-01 7:59 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-02-01 10:29 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-02-01 9:01 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-02-01 9:10 ` David S. Miller
2002-02-01 9:07 ` David S. Miller
2002-02-01 9:13 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-02-01 17:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-02-01 18:29 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-01 18:44 ` arjan
2002-02-01 19:47 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-02 15:39 ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-05 14:21 ` Pavel Machek
2002-02-05 18:45 ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-05 20:30 ` Eric Dumazet
2002-02-05 20:46 ` Pavel Machek
2002-02-06 9:07 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-05 9:19 ` Zdenek Kabelac
2002-02-01 23:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-02-01 14:44 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-02-01 14:59 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-02-01 17:03 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-02-01 15:26 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-02-01 23:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-31 10:41 ` Josh MacDonald [this message]
2002-01-31 14:00 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-31 14:21 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-30 22:22 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-01-30 3:02 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 23:00 ` William Lee Irwin III
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-02-02 19:23 rwhron
2002-02-03 14:31 ` chris
2002-02-03 23:33 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-02-04 3:59 ` rwhron
2002-02-06 2:04 ` rwhron
2002-02-06 11:44 ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-06 21:34 rwhron
2002-02-06 21:37 ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-06 22:06 ` rwhron
2002-02-07 11:32 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-07 11:32 ` Daniel Phillips
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