From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
Momchil Velikov <velco@fadata.bg>,
John Stoffel <stoffel@casc.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Radix-tree pagecache for 2.5
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:02:02 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020131190202.I1309@athlon.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020131153607.C1309@athlon.random> <Pine.LNX.4.33.0201310942210.1537-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0201310942210.1537-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>; from torvalds@transmeta.com on Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 09:46:52AM -0800
On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 09:46:52AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> >
> > but with the radix tree (please correct me if I'm wrong) the height will
> > increase eventually, no matter what (so it won't be an effective O(1)
> > like the hashtable provides in real life, not the worst case, the common
> > case). With the hashtable the height won't increase instead.
>
> No.
>
> The radix tree is basically O(1), because the maximum depth of a 7-bit
> radix tree is just 5. The index is only a 32-bit number.
then it will break on archs with more ram than 1<<(32+PAGE_CACHE_SHIFT).
Also there must be some significant memory overhead that can be
triggered with a certain layout of pages, in some configuration it
should take much more ram than the hashtable if I understood well how it
works.
Also its O(1) may be slower than the O(N) of the hashtable in the 99% of
the cases.
>
> We could, in fact, make all page caches use a fixed-depth tree, which is
> clearly O(1). But the radix tree is slightly faster and tends to use less
> memory under common loads, so..
>
> Remember: you must NOT ignore the constant part of a "O(x)" equation.
> Hashes tend to be effectively O(1) under most loads, but they have cache
> costs, and they have scalability costs that a radix tree doesn't have.
the scalability cost I obviously agree :) (however on some workload with
all tasks on the same inode, the scalability cost remains the same).
Andrea
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-01-31 18:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-01-29 15:54 [PATCH] Radix-tree pagecache for 2.5 Christoph Hellwig
2002-01-29 19:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-29 21:40 ` David S. Miller
2002-01-29 22:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-29 23:01 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-29 23:32 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-29 23:35 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-30 3:00 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-31 23:44 ` Anton Blanchard
2002-02-01 0:34 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-01 11:04 ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-01 11:33 ` Arjan van de Ven
2002-02-02 18:57 ` Richard Henderson
2002-02-02 21:15 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-29 23:02 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-29 23:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-29 23:45 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-01-30 21:25 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-30 22:05 ` John Stoffel
2002-01-30 22:15 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-31 2:33 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-31 13:58 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-31 14:36 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-31 15:32 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-31 16:39 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-01-31 17:19 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-01-31 17:21 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-31 17:50 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-01-31 17:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-31 18:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2002-01-31 18:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-31 18:38 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-31 18:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-31 19:09 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-31 19:26 ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-31 21:12 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-31 19:14 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-01-31 19:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-31 21:34 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-31 23:12 ` Anton Blanchard
2002-01-31 23:55 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-02-01 0:01 ` David S. Miller
2002-02-16 16:20 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-02-01 3:56 ` Anton Blanchard
2002-02-01 6:32 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-02-01 18:38 ` Anton Blanchard
2002-02-01 9:04 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-02-01 7:59 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-02-01 10:29 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-02-01 9:01 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-02-01 9:10 ` David S. Miller
2002-02-01 9:07 ` David S. Miller
2002-02-01 9:13 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-02-01 17:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-02-01 18:29 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-01 18:44 ` arjan
2002-02-01 19:47 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-02 15:39 ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-05 14:21 ` Pavel Machek
2002-02-05 18:45 ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-05 20:30 ` Eric Dumazet
2002-02-05 20:46 ` Pavel Machek
2002-02-06 9:07 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-05 9:19 ` Zdenek Kabelac
2002-02-01 23:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-02-01 14:44 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-02-01 14:59 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-02-01 17:03 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-02-01 15:26 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-02-01 23:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-01-31 10:41 ` Josh MacDonald
2002-01-31 14:00 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-31 14:21 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-30 22:22 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-01-30 3:02 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 23:00 ` William Lee Irwin III
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-02-02 19:23 rwhron
2002-02-03 14:31 ` chris
2002-02-03 23:33 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-02-04 3:59 ` rwhron
2002-02-06 2:04 ` rwhron
2002-02-06 11:44 ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-06 21:34 rwhron
2002-02-06 21:37 ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-06 22:06 ` rwhron
2002-02-07 11:32 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-07 11:32 ` Daniel Phillips
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