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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
To: Larry McVoy <lm@work.bitmover.com>, Tom Lord <lord@regexps.com>,
	jaharkes@cs.cmu.edu, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: linux-2.5.4-pre1 - bitkeeper testing
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:33:08 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020208153307.GA122@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0202052328470.32146-100000@ash.penguinppc.org> <20020207165035.GA28384@ravel.coda.cs.cmu.edu> <200202072306.PAA08272@morrowfield.home> <20020207132558.D27932@work.bitmover.com>
In-Reply-To: <20020207132558.D27932@work.bitmover.com>

Hi!

> Before you yell at me, remember that source management is not the same
> as the kernel.  Everyone has to use the kernel, the computer doesn't work
> without it.  Take that set of people and remove everyone who doesn't use
> source management.  Out of a potential space of billions of people, you
> are left with a market of about .5 - 2 million, world wide.  And there
> are 300 SCM systems fighting over that space.  The top 3 have 50% of
> the

I know less than 10 such systems, not 300. And now arch is one of
them.

> space.  So 297 systems fighting over maybe a million users.  That's 3300
> users per system.  OK, so if each of those people were willing to pay
> $500 for arch support/whatever, that's a total of 1.6 million dollars.
> Which isn't remotely close enough to get the job done.  And don't forget
> that those people have to volunteer that money, it can't be pried out
> of them.
> 
> It's just math.  Projects that aren't universally used have a much harder
> time getting funding than projects that everyone uses.  It doesn't matter
> what the value is to you, it matters what the costs are to the developers.
> This is why microsoft is so rich, they build apps that the masses use.
> It's also why clearcase+clearquest is $8000/seat.  It's not because
> that's what the value is, it's because that's what the cost has to be
> or Rational starts to die.
> 
> So before you start talking about support contracts, and grants, and
> whatever, realize that the pool of people interested in paying those
> dollars is very small.  Are _you_ going to send Tom $500?

What was the point of this mail?

Are you concerned that arch is free software and bk is not?

arch _has_ chance; Tom is probably not going to make million dollars,
but if someone has a choice between using non-free software and arch,
maybe he will just spend his time improving arch.

									Pavel
-- 
(about SSSCA) "I don't say this lightly.  However, I really think that the U.S.
no longer is classifiable as a democracy, but rather as a plutocracy." --hpa

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-02-08 21:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-02-06  7:33 linux-2.5.4-pre1 - bitkeeper testing Jeramy B. Smith
2002-02-06 15:15 ` Florian Weimer
2002-02-07 16:50 ` Jan Harkes
2002-02-07 23:06   ` Tom Lord
2002-02-07 21:23     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-08  1:02       ` Tom Lord
2002-02-07 21:23     ` Paul P Komkoff Jr
2002-02-07 21:28       ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-07 21:25     ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-08  2:32       ` Tom Lord
2002-02-08 15:33       ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2002-02-08 21:35         ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-11  8:20       ` Josh MacDonald
2002-02-11 15:00         ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-11 20:25           ` Pavel Machek
2002-02-11 22:14           ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-12  5:17             ` Tom Lord
2002-02-12  3:59               ` Theodore Tso
2002-02-12  6:19                 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2002-02-12 20:28                 ` Tom Lord
2002-02-12 22:54                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-13  0:52                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-13  9:41                     ` Tom Lord
2002-02-13 10:35                     ` Roman Zippel
2002-02-12 11:01           ` Josh MacDonald
2002-02-12 11:15             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-18 18:10             ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-03-10  8:36       ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-10 19:41         ` Itai Nahshon
2002-03-10 20:19           ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-10 21:16             ` Rob Turk
2002-03-10 21:34               ` Alan Cox
2002-03-10 21:23                 ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-11  8:22                   ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-10 21:28                 ` Alexander Viro
2002-03-11 11:04                   ` Mark H. Wood
2002-03-11  9:46                 ` Harald Arnesen
2002-03-10 21:37             ` Richard Gooch
2002-03-11  5:48               ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-11  5:52                 ` Alexander Viro
2002-03-11  6:15                   ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-11  6:37                     ` Alexander Viro
2002-03-11  6:42                     ` Richard Gooch
2002-03-11 13:13                     ` yodaiken
2002-03-11 15:51                       ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-11 16:08                         ` yodaiken
2002-03-11 16:56                           ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-11 22:51                     ` James Antill
2002-03-12  7:58                       ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-12 22:37                         ` Andrew Pimlott
2002-03-13  8:09                           ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-13 15:10                             ` Andrew Pimlott
2002-03-13  9:39                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-03-13 14:37                             ` Andrew Pimlott
2002-03-13 16:26                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-13 16:30                                 ` Andrew Pimlott
2002-03-13 19:18                                   ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-14  9:39                                     ` filesystem transactions (was Re: linux-2.5.4-pre1 - bitkeeper testing) Tom Lord
2002-03-14  8:26                                       ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-14 10:31                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-03-11 14:05             ` linux-2.5.4-pre1 - bitkeeper testing Luigi Genoni
2002-03-11 10:46           ` Mark H. Wood
2002-03-11 11:32             ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-11 15:29               ` Steven Cole
2002-03-11 16:08                 ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-11 16:25                   ` Steven Cole
2002-03-11 17:08                     ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-11 17:16                       ` Nikita Danilov
2002-03-11 18:22                     ` VMS File versions (was RE: linux-2.5.4-pre1 - bitkeeper testing) Robert Pfister
2002-03-11 18:41                     ` linux-2.5.4-pre1 - bitkeeper testing Steven Cole
2002-03-11 19:15                       ` Hans Reiser
2002-03-11 21:33                         ` Steven Cole
2002-03-11 21:54                           ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-03-11 22:01                             ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-03-11 22:19                             ` Steven Cole
2002-03-12  0:14                               ` Robert Pfister
2002-03-12  7:54                           ` linux-2.5.4-pre1 - bitkeeper testing (If you don't like the closed source nature of Bitkeeper, stop your whining and help out with reiserfs.) Hans Reiser
2002-03-12  1:28                       ` linux-2.5.4-pre1 - bitkeeper testing Mark H. Wood
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-03-12 18:08 Thunder from the hill
2002-02-06  3:37 Linus Torvalds
2002-02-06  6:50 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-06  7:50   ` Reid Hekman
2002-02-06  8:03     ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-06 19:35       ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-02-06 19:45         ` Tom Rini
2002-02-06 20:44           ` Wayne Scott
2002-02-06 20:35         ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-06 22:25           ` Mike Fedyk
2002-02-06 15:17 ` Florian Weimer
2002-02-06 15:32   ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-06 16:54   ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-06 22:19   ` Rob Landley
2002-02-06 17:30 ` Roman Zippel
2002-02-06 17:33   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-02-06 19:58     ` Roman Zippel
2002-02-06 23:36       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-02-06 23:54         ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-07  8:07         ` Stelian Pop
2002-02-07 16:36           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-02-07 17:26             ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-07 19:46               ` Stelian Pop
2002-02-08  0:29                 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-08  5:28               ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-02-08  6:06                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-08  6:14                   ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-02-08  6:49                   ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-07 10:50         ` Roman Zippel
2002-02-06 19:38 ` Pavel Machek
2002-02-06 23:06   ` Larry McVoy

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