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From: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
To: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@pc1-camc5-0-cust78.cam.cable.ntl.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Disgusted with kbuild developers
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:42:55 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020215124255.F28735@work.bitmover.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020215135557.B10961@thyrsus.com> <200202151929.g1FJTaU03362@pc1-camc5-0-cust78.cam.cable.ntl.com> <20020215141433.B11369@thyrsus.com> <20020215195818.A3534@pc1-camc5-0-cust78.cam.cable.ntl.com> <20020215145421.A12540@thyrsus.com>
In-Reply-To: <20020215145421.A12540@thyrsus.com>; from esr@thyrsus.com on Fri, Feb 15, 2002 at 02:54:21PM -0500

On Fri, Feb 15, 2002 at 02:54:21PM -0500, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
> Arjan van de Ven <arjan@pc1-camc5-0-cust78.cam.cable.ntl.com>:
> > > But I think you know very well that the usual flow looks like this:
> > > 
> > > 1. You throw a patch over the wall to Linus.
> > > 
> > > 2. Either it shows up in the next release...
> > > 
> > > 3. ...or you hear a vast and echoing silence.
> > 
> > You're telling me Linus never mailed you about splitting up Configure.help ?
> 
> That's right.  

Gimme a break.  I read those posts, I repeatedly saw that people said to do 
that, I don't remember if it was Linus or not, but it's not like he has the
only brain.  The clearly expressed sentiment was to put the help next to the
source.  You repeatedly came up with corner cases where that wouldn't work
and used that as an excuse to do nothing.  Having just gone through the same
thing with Linus about BK locking, I can assure you that dredging up the
corner cases does not work, you might as well get to work and solve the 
problem.
-- 
---
Larry McVoy            	 lm at bitmover.com           http://www.bitmover.com/lm 

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-02-15 20:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 157+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-02-15 16:55 Disgusted with kbuild developers Jeff Garzik
2002-02-15 16:51 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 17:25   ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 19:01     ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 17:25   ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-15 17:13     ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 17:27   ` Tom Rini
2002-02-15 17:31   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-15 17:25     ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 18:24       ` Alexander Viro
2002-02-15 18:55         ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 19:29           ` Arjan van de Ven
2002-02-15 19:14             ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 19:58               ` Arjan van de Ven
2002-02-15 19:54                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 20:38                   ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 20:45                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16  8:37                       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-15 21:34                     ` Alan Cox
2002-02-15 20:59                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 21:47                         ` Alan Cox
2002-02-15 21:46                           ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 22:40                             ` Alan Cox
2002-02-15 22:08                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 22:52                                 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-16  9:50                                   ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-16  4:57                               ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16  7:41                                 ` Gerd Knorr
2002-02-16 12:36                                 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-16 14:10                                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 22:44                             ` Rob Landley
2002-02-19  8:04                             ` Pavel Machek
2002-02-19 21:13                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 22:08                     ` Robert Love
2002-02-15 22:28                       ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 22:11                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 23:07                           ` Alan Cox
2002-02-16 15:54                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 16:38                               ` Alan Cox
2002-02-16 16:22                                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 16:52                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 17:10                                   ` Alan Cox
2002-02-16 16:50                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16  5:05                         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 11:23                           ` Matthias Andree
2002-02-16 14:52                           ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 15:36                             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 15:52                               ` Possible breakthrough in the CML2 logjam? Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 16:34                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 16:57                                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 17:29                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 17:32                                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 19:01                                         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-17  0:57                                         ` Felix von Leitner
2002-02-20  9:07                                           ` 'revolting' overemphasizes personal beliefs && religion bert hubert
2002-02-16 17:37                                     ` Possible breakthrough in the CML2 logjam? Larry McVoy
2002-02-16 17:16                                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 17:48                                         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 17:50                                         ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-18 10:06                                           ` Rogier Wolff
2002-02-15 20:42                   ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2002-02-15 20:39                     ` Disgusted with kbuild developers Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 21:15                       ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 20:58                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 21:49                           ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 22:04                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 22:41                               ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 23:26                               ` Rob Landley
2002-02-16  6:35                                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 18:20                                   ` Rob Landley
2002-02-16  9:21                                 ` David Woodhouse
2002-02-16 13:57                                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 15:21                                     ` Adam Kropelin
2002-02-16 14:51                                   ` David Woodhouse
2002-02-16 15:56                                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16  5:12                               ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-15 22:09                           ` Richard Gooch
2002-02-15 21:50                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 22:27                               ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 22:19                                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16  0:15                                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-02-16 16:00                                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 16:53                                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-02-17  0:05                                     ` Felix von Leitner
2002-02-15 22:38                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-15 22:22                                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 23:23                                 ` Matthias Andree
2002-02-15 23:29                                   ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 23:37                                     ` David Lang
2002-02-16  2:11                                     ` Matthias Andree
2002-02-15 23:36                                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-15 23:51                                     ` David Lang
2002-02-16  0:49                                       ` Alan Cox
2002-02-16  0:08                                     ` Ben Greear
2002-02-18  9:41                                     ` Rogier Wolff
2002-02-18 16:07                                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-16  9:53                                   ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-16 13:04                                     ` Matthias Andree
2002-02-16 15:53                                       ` Michal Jaegermann
2002-02-17 23:06                                         ` Matthias Andree
2002-02-15 22:41                               ` Alan Cox
2002-02-15 23:37                               ` Alexander Viro
2002-02-16  1:14                                 ` William Scott Lockwood III
2002-02-16  1:59                                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-16  2:08                                     ` William Scott Lockwood III
2002-02-17  4:36                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-16  4:17                                     ` John Jasen
2002-02-16  4:20                                       ` William Scott Lockwood III
2002-02-15 22:27                             ` yodaiken
2002-02-15 22:19                           ` Cort Dougan
2002-02-16  8:33                           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 14:53                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 16:55                               ` Alan Cox
2002-02-15 22:21                       ` Robert Love
2002-02-15 22:29                         ` That Linux Guy
2002-02-16  5:02                           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 14:50                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 15:33                               ` CML2 feedback (was Re: Disgusted with kbuild developers) Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 16:06                               ` Disgusted with kbuild developers Nicolas Pitre
2002-02-16 16:08                                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 16:37                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 17:34                                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-02-17  6:46                                     ` Matt D. Robinson
2002-02-16 18:29                                   ` Of Bundling, Dao and Cowardice Alexander Viro
2002-02-16 19:16                                     ` That Linux Guy <thatlinuxguy@hotmail.com>,Re: " Rik van Riel
2002-02-18 17:33                                     ` bill davidsen
2002-02-20 19:53                                     ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-02-16 22:29                                   ` Disgusted with kbuild developers Joel Becker
2002-02-17  0:05                                 ` Rob Landley
2002-02-17  0:26                                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-02-17 23:10                                 ` Matthias Andree
2002-02-16  9:46                           ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-15 21:24           ` Rob Landley
2002-02-16  9:30           ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-15 17:02 ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-15 17:35   ` Alexander Viro
2002-02-15 18:00 ` Michael Alan Dorman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-02-15 18:16 Dan Kegel
     [not found] <fa.fs57c8v.pms19j@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.h6krj0v.ggg1hm@ifi.uio.no>
2002-02-16  9:04   ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2002-02-17 17:59 Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2002-02-17 22:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-18 21:04 ` Pavel Machek
2002-02-19  2:42 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-19 22:27 ` Felix von Leitner
2002-02-20  1:02   ` Keith Moore
2002-02-18  4:20 Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2002-02-18 15:15 SodaPop
2002-02-19  2:48 ` Daniel Phillips
     [not found] <fa.i4fkbuv.1k1iiqm@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.iuo8icv.19g8gre@ifi.uio.no>
2002-02-19  7:55   ` Giacomo Catenazzi
     [not found] <fa.i8v9q2v.6g8h03@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.hhvfopv.1f70hqv@ifi.uio.no>
2002-02-19  8:04   ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2002-02-19  8:13     ` Alexander Viro
2002-02-19  9:15     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-19 21:06       ` Bill Davidsen
2002-02-20 11:43     ` Pavel Machek
2002-02-19 10:04 Greg Banks
     [not found] <fa.h0m1njv.tgmh9v@ifi.uio.no>
2002-02-19 11:23 ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2002-02-19 10:51   ` Greg Banks

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