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From: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>
To: Larry McVoy <lm@work.bitmover.com>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@pc1-camc5-0-cust78.cam.cable.ntl.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Disgusted with kbuild developers
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:39:53 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020215153953.D12540@thyrsus.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020215135557.B10961@thyrsus.com> <200202151929.g1FJTaU03362@pc1-camc5-0-cust78.cam.cable.ntl.com> <20020215141433.B11369@thyrsus.com> <20020215195818.A3534@pc1-camc5-0-cust78.cam.cable.ntl.com> <20020215145421.A12540@thyrsus.com> <20020215124255.F28735@work.bitmover.com>
In-Reply-To: <20020215124255.F28735@work.bitmover.com>; from lm@bitmover.com on Fri, Feb 15, 2002 at 12:42:55PM -0800

Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>:
> Gimme a break.  I read those posts, I repeatedly saw that people said to do 
> that, I don't remember if it was Linus or not, but it's not like he has the
> only brain.  The clearly expressed sentiment was to put the help next to the
> source.  You repeatedly came up with corner cases where that wouldn't work
> and used that as an excuse to do nothing.

And one of those corner cases in fact came around and bit us on the ass.

If we had handled the transition the smooth way I wanted to, and was
prepared to, we'd still have a maintainable help database spanning 2.4
as well as 2.5.  As it is, Linus blew my system into flinders and 
obsoleted all my tools (I'm not talking CML2 itself now but the machinery I
wrote for tracking help changes).

As a result, I had to tell Marcelo I had no choice but to drop maintaining
the 2.4 help file.  The divergence, and the damage, is probably not
recoverable.
-- 
		<a href="http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/">Eric S. Raymond</a>

  reply	other threads:[~2002-02-15 21:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 157+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-02-15 16:55 Disgusted with kbuild developers Jeff Garzik
2002-02-15 16:51 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 17:25   ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 19:01     ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 17:25   ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-15 17:13     ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 17:27   ` Tom Rini
2002-02-15 17:31   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-15 17:25     ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 18:24       ` Alexander Viro
2002-02-15 18:55         ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 19:29           ` Arjan van de Ven
2002-02-15 19:14             ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 19:58               ` Arjan van de Ven
2002-02-15 19:54                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 20:38                   ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 20:45                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16  8:37                       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-15 21:34                     ` Alan Cox
2002-02-15 20:59                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 21:47                         ` Alan Cox
2002-02-15 21:46                           ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 22:40                             ` Alan Cox
2002-02-15 22:08                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 22:52                                 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-16  9:50                                   ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-16  4:57                               ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16  7:41                                 ` Gerd Knorr
2002-02-16 12:36                                 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-16 14:10                                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 22:44                             ` Rob Landley
2002-02-19  8:04                             ` Pavel Machek
2002-02-19 21:13                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 22:08                     ` Robert Love
2002-02-15 22:28                       ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 22:11                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 23:07                           ` Alan Cox
2002-02-16 15:54                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 16:38                               ` Alan Cox
2002-02-16 16:22                                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 16:52                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 17:10                                   ` Alan Cox
2002-02-16 16:50                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16  5:05                         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 11:23                           ` Matthias Andree
2002-02-16 14:52                           ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 15:36                             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 15:52                               ` Possible breakthrough in the CML2 logjam? Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 16:34                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 16:57                                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 17:29                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 17:32                                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 19:01                                         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-17  0:57                                         ` Felix von Leitner
2002-02-20  9:07                                           ` 'revolting' overemphasizes personal beliefs && religion bert hubert
2002-02-16 17:37                                     ` Possible breakthrough in the CML2 logjam? Larry McVoy
2002-02-16 17:16                                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 17:48                                         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 17:50                                         ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-18 10:06                                           ` Rogier Wolff
2002-02-15 20:42                   ` Disgusted with kbuild developers Larry McVoy
2002-02-15 20:39                     ` Eric S. Raymond [this message]
2002-02-15 21:15                       ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 20:58                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 21:49                           ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 22:04                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 22:41                               ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 23:26                               ` Rob Landley
2002-02-16  6:35                                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 18:20                                   ` Rob Landley
2002-02-16  9:21                                 ` David Woodhouse
2002-02-16 13:57                                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 15:21                                     ` Adam Kropelin
2002-02-16 14:51                                   ` David Woodhouse
2002-02-16 15:56                                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16  5:12                               ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-15 22:09                           ` Richard Gooch
2002-02-15 21:50                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 22:27                               ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 22:19                                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16  0:15                                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-02-16 16:00                                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 16:53                                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-02-17  0:05                                     ` Felix von Leitner
2002-02-15 22:38                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-15 22:22                                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 23:23                                 ` Matthias Andree
2002-02-15 23:29                                   ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 23:37                                     ` David Lang
2002-02-16  2:11                                     ` Matthias Andree
2002-02-15 23:36                                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-15 23:51                                     ` David Lang
2002-02-16  0:49                                       ` Alan Cox
2002-02-16  0:08                                     ` Ben Greear
2002-02-18  9:41                                     ` Rogier Wolff
2002-02-18 16:07                                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-16  9:53                                   ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-16 13:04                                     ` Matthias Andree
2002-02-16 15:53                                       ` Michal Jaegermann
2002-02-17 23:06                                         ` Matthias Andree
2002-02-15 22:41                               ` Alan Cox
2002-02-15 23:37                               ` Alexander Viro
2002-02-16  1:14                                 ` William Scott Lockwood III
2002-02-16  1:59                                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-16  2:08                                     ` William Scott Lockwood III
2002-02-17  4:36                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-16  4:17                                     ` John Jasen
2002-02-16  4:20                                       ` William Scott Lockwood III
2002-02-15 22:27                             ` yodaiken
2002-02-15 22:19                           ` Cort Dougan
2002-02-16  8:33                           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 14:53                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 16:55                               ` Alan Cox
2002-02-15 22:21                       ` Robert Love
2002-02-15 22:29                         ` That Linux Guy
2002-02-16  5:02                           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 14:50                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 15:33                               ` CML2 feedback (was Re: Disgusted with kbuild developers) Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 16:06                               ` Disgusted with kbuild developers Nicolas Pitre
2002-02-16 16:08                                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 16:37                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 17:34                                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-02-17  6:46                                     ` Matt D. Robinson
2002-02-16 18:29                                   ` Of Bundling, Dao and Cowardice Alexander Viro
2002-02-16 19:16                                     ` That Linux Guy <thatlinuxguy@hotmail.com>,Re: " Rik van Riel
2002-02-18 17:33                                     ` bill davidsen
2002-02-20 19:53                                     ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-02-16 22:29                                   ` Disgusted with kbuild developers Joel Becker
2002-02-17  0:05                                 ` Rob Landley
2002-02-17  0:26                                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-02-17 23:10                                 ` Matthias Andree
2002-02-16  9:46                           ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-15 21:24           ` Rob Landley
2002-02-16  9:30           ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-15 17:02 ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-15 17:35   ` Alexander Viro
2002-02-15 18:00 ` Michael Alan Dorman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-02-15 18:16 Dan Kegel
     [not found] <fa.fs57c8v.pms19j@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.h6krj0v.ggg1hm@ifi.uio.no>
2002-02-16  9:04   ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2002-02-17 17:59 Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2002-02-17 22:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-18 21:04 ` Pavel Machek
2002-02-19  2:42 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-19 22:27 ` Felix von Leitner
2002-02-20  1:02   ` Keith Moore
2002-02-18  4:20 Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2002-02-18 15:15 SodaPop
2002-02-19  2:48 ` Daniel Phillips
     [not found] <fa.i4fkbuv.1k1iiqm@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.iuo8icv.19g8gre@ifi.uio.no>
2002-02-19  7:55   ` Giacomo Catenazzi
     [not found] <fa.i8v9q2v.6g8h03@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.hhvfopv.1f70hqv@ifi.uio.no>
2002-02-19  8:04   ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2002-02-19  8:13     ` Alexander Viro
2002-02-19  9:15     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-19 21:06       ` Bill Davidsen
2002-02-20 11:43     ` Pavel Machek
2002-02-19 10:04 Greg Banks
     [not found] <fa.h0m1njv.tgmh9v@ifi.uio.no>
2002-02-19 11:23 ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2002-02-19 10:51   ` Greg Banks

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