From: Dave Jones <davej@suse.de>
To: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>,
Richard Gooch <rgooch@ras.ucalgary.ca>,
Larry McVoy <lm@work.bitmover.com>,
Arjan van de Ven <arjan@pc1-camc5-0-cust78.cam.cable.ntl.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Disgusted with kbuild developers
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 23:27:00 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020215232700.M27880@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200202151929.g1FJTaU03362@pc1-camc5-0-cust78.cam.cable.ntl.com> <20020215141433.B11369@thyrsus.com> <20020215195818.A3534@pc1-camc5-0-cust78.cam.cable.ntl.com> <20020215145421.A12540@thyrsus.com> <20020215124255.F28735@work.bitmover.com> <20020215153953.D12540@thyrsus.com> <20020215221532.K27880@suse.de> <20020215155817.A14083@thyrsus.com> <200202152209.g1FM9PZ00855@vindaloo.ras.ucalgary.ca> <20020215165029.C14418@thyrsus.com>
In-Reply-To: <20020215165029.C14418@thyrsus.com>; from esr@thyrsus.com on Fri, Feb 15, 2002 at 04:50:29PM -0500
On Fri, Feb 15, 2002 at 04:50:29PM -0500, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
> If that's so, then why are the likes of Jeff Garzik and Al Viro
> spending so much effort trying to make *me* into the bad guy?
'the bad guy' probably isn't the right choice of words.
The point being made is that you constantly refuse to listen.
You ask for an opinion, and when something comes back that isn't
what you expect, you run off and write something completely
different just to appease some fabled Aunt Tilley, then come
back and say "Ok, how about now?".
CML2 seems to have all these wonderous features to make end-users
happy. In writing these, you've shifted target audience from
kernel _developers_ to kernel _users_. Concerns from developers
were constantly ignored in favour of adding extra candy.
And you wonder why developers don't want to read about CML2 any more?
You know, for all its glorious features, I'd not be surprised
to see mconfig or some other 'improved CML1' end up in 2.6
rather than CML2.
> Time for somebody to up Jeff's Thorazine dosage...
Increased dosages of something all around wouldn't go amiss I think.
--
| Dave Jones. http://www.codemonkey.org.uk
| SuSE Labs
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Thread overview: 157+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-02-15 16:55 Disgusted with kbuild developers Jeff Garzik
2002-02-15 16:51 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 17:25 ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 19:01 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 17:25 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-15 17:13 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 17:27 ` Tom Rini
2002-02-15 17:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-15 17:25 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 18:24 ` Alexander Viro
2002-02-15 18:55 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 19:29 ` Arjan van de Ven
2002-02-15 19:14 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 19:58 ` Arjan van de Ven
2002-02-15 19:54 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 20:38 ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 20:45 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 8:37 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-15 21:34 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-15 20:59 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 21:47 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-15 21:46 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 22:40 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-15 22:08 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 22:52 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-16 9:50 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-16 4:57 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 7:41 ` Gerd Knorr
2002-02-16 12:36 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-16 14:10 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 22:44 ` Rob Landley
2002-02-19 8:04 ` Pavel Machek
2002-02-19 21:13 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 22:08 ` Robert Love
2002-02-15 22:28 ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 22:11 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 23:07 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-16 15:54 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 16:38 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-16 16:22 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 16:52 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 17:10 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-16 16:50 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 5:05 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 11:23 ` Matthias Andree
2002-02-16 14:52 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 15:36 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 15:52 ` Possible breakthrough in the CML2 logjam? Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 16:34 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 16:57 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 17:29 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 17:32 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 19:01 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-17 0:57 ` Felix von Leitner
2002-02-20 9:07 ` 'revolting' overemphasizes personal beliefs && religion bert hubert
2002-02-16 17:37 ` Possible breakthrough in the CML2 logjam? Larry McVoy
2002-02-16 17:16 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 17:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 17:50 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-18 10:06 ` Rogier Wolff
2002-02-15 20:42 ` Disgusted with kbuild developers Larry McVoy
2002-02-15 20:39 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 21:15 ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 20:58 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 21:49 ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 22:04 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 22:41 ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 23:26 ` Rob Landley
2002-02-16 6:35 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 18:20 ` Rob Landley
2002-02-16 9:21 ` David Woodhouse
2002-02-16 13:57 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 15:21 ` Adam Kropelin
2002-02-16 14:51 ` David Woodhouse
2002-02-16 15:56 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 5:12 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-15 22:09 ` Richard Gooch
2002-02-15 21:50 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 22:27 ` Dave Jones [this message]
2002-02-15 22:19 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 0:15 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-02-16 16:00 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 16:53 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-02-17 0:05 ` Felix von Leitner
2002-02-15 22:38 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-15 22:22 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 23:23 ` Matthias Andree
2002-02-15 23:29 ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 23:37 ` David Lang
2002-02-16 2:11 ` Matthias Andree
2002-02-15 23:36 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-15 23:51 ` David Lang
2002-02-16 0:49 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-16 0:08 ` Ben Greear
2002-02-18 9:41 ` Rogier Wolff
2002-02-18 16:07 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-16 9:53 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-16 13:04 ` Matthias Andree
2002-02-16 15:53 ` Michal Jaegermann
2002-02-17 23:06 ` Matthias Andree
2002-02-15 22:41 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-15 23:37 ` Alexander Viro
2002-02-16 1:14 ` William Scott Lockwood III
2002-02-16 1:59 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-16 2:08 ` William Scott Lockwood III
2002-02-17 4:36 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-16 4:17 ` John Jasen
2002-02-16 4:20 ` William Scott Lockwood III
2002-02-15 22:27 ` yodaiken
2002-02-15 22:19 ` Cort Dougan
2002-02-16 8:33 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 14:53 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 16:55 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-15 22:21 ` Robert Love
2002-02-15 22:29 ` That Linux Guy
2002-02-16 5:02 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 14:50 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 15:33 ` CML2 feedback (was Re: Disgusted with kbuild developers) Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 16:06 ` Disgusted with kbuild developers Nicolas Pitre
2002-02-16 16:08 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 16:37 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 17:34 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-02-17 6:46 ` Matt D. Robinson
2002-02-16 18:29 ` Of Bundling, Dao and Cowardice Alexander Viro
2002-02-16 19:16 ` That Linux Guy <thatlinuxguy@hotmail.com>,Re: " Rik van Riel
2002-02-18 17:33 ` bill davidsen
2002-02-20 19:53 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-02-16 22:29 ` Disgusted with kbuild developers Joel Becker
2002-02-17 0:05 ` Rob Landley
2002-02-17 0:26 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-02-17 23:10 ` Matthias Andree
2002-02-16 9:46 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-15 21:24 ` Rob Landley
2002-02-16 9:30 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-15 17:02 ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-15 17:35 ` Alexander Viro
2002-02-15 18:00 ` Michael Alan Dorman
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-02-15 18:16 Dan Kegel
[not found] <fa.fs57c8v.pms19j@ifi.uio.no>
[not found] ` <fa.h6krj0v.ggg1hm@ifi.uio.no>
2002-02-16 9:04 ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2002-02-17 17:59 Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2002-02-17 22:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-18 21:04 ` Pavel Machek
2002-02-19 2:42 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-19 22:27 ` Felix von Leitner
2002-02-20 1:02 ` Keith Moore
2002-02-18 4:20 Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2002-02-18 15:15 SodaPop
2002-02-19 2:48 ` Daniel Phillips
[not found] <fa.i4fkbuv.1k1iiqm@ifi.uio.no>
[not found] ` <fa.iuo8icv.19g8gre@ifi.uio.no>
2002-02-19 7:55 ` Giacomo Catenazzi
[not found] <fa.i8v9q2v.6g8h03@ifi.uio.no>
[not found] ` <fa.hhvfopv.1f70hqv@ifi.uio.no>
2002-02-19 8:04 ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2002-02-19 8:13 ` Alexander Viro
2002-02-19 9:15 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-19 21:06 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-02-20 11:43 ` Pavel Machek
2002-02-19 10:04 Greg Banks
[not found] <fa.h0m1njv.tgmh9v@ifi.uio.no>
2002-02-19 11:23 ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2002-02-19 10:51 ` Greg Banks
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