From: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>
To: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@mandrakesoft.com>
Cc: That Linux Guy <thatlinuxguy@hotmail.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Disgusted with kbuild developers
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 09:50:39 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020216095039.L23546@thyrsus.com> (raw)
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In-Reply-To: <3C6DE7DC.59A92A6D@mandrakesoft.com>; from jgarzik@mandrakesoft.com on Sat, Feb 16, 2002 at 12:02:20AM -0500
Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@mandrakesoft.com>:
> I consider CML2 an albatross now, and the maintainer does not listen to
> feedback.
New FAQ entry:
* Eric doesn't listen to feedback.
Bill Stearns observed in February 2002 that "Eric has been very good
about folding in changes". In response to feedback from the kernel
mailing list, Eric has:
- introduced the prefix declaration so that symbol names can be
expressed with or without the CONFIG_
- added a recovery mechanism so the configurator can do someting
with inconsistent configs (this one was Alan Cox's issue).
- removed the magic tie declaration that made symbols without help
only visible in EXPERT mode
- reorganized the rulebase to minimize stuff in the root rules file
- added the capability to annotate constraint violations with
text messages in English or the language of your choice.
- sped up the rulebase compiler by a factor of six
and many other changes comprising months of work.
> I would be happy as a clam if Eric wanted to resolve the problems -we-
> have with CML1 and the config system, not just the problems he has with
> it.
What problems do you have with CML1? Name them and I will make sure
they are not issues in CML2.
I've been begging for feedback for many months. Pleases *get specific*.
Instead of muttering that Eric refuses to listen, *give me something
to listen to*!
--
<a href="http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/">Eric S. Raymond</a>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-02-16 15:16 UTC|newest]
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2002-02-15 16:55 Disgusted with kbuild developers Jeff Garzik
2002-02-15 16:51 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 17:25 ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 19:01 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 17:25 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-15 17:13 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 17:27 ` Tom Rini
2002-02-15 17:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-15 17:25 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 18:24 ` Alexander Viro
2002-02-15 18:55 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 19:29 ` Arjan van de Ven
2002-02-15 19:14 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 19:58 ` Arjan van de Ven
2002-02-15 19:54 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 20:38 ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 20:45 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 8:37 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-15 21:34 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-15 20:59 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 21:47 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-15 21:46 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 22:40 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-15 22:08 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 22:52 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-16 9:50 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-16 4:57 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 7:41 ` Gerd Knorr
2002-02-16 12:36 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-16 14:10 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 22:44 ` Rob Landley
2002-02-19 8:04 ` Pavel Machek
2002-02-19 21:13 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 22:08 ` Robert Love
2002-02-15 22:28 ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 22:11 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 23:07 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-16 15:54 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 16:38 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-16 16:22 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 16:52 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 17:10 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-16 16:50 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 5:05 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 11:23 ` Matthias Andree
2002-02-16 14:52 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 15:36 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 15:52 ` Possible breakthrough in the CML2 logjam? Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 16:34 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 16:57 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 17:29 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 17:32 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 19:01 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-17 0:57 ` Felix von Leitner
2002-02-20 9:07 ` 'revolting' overemphasizes personal beliefs && religion bert hubert
2002-02-16 17:37 ` Possible breakthrough in the CML2 logjam? Larry McVoy
2002-02-16 17:16 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 17:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 17:50 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-18 10:06 ` Rogier Wolff
2002-02-15 20:42 ` Disgusted with kbuild developers Larry McVoy
2002-02-15 20:39 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 21:15 ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 20:58 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 21:49 ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 22:04 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 22:41 ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 23:26 ` Rob Landley
2002-02-16 6:35 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 18:20 ` Rob Landley
2002-02-16 9:21 ` David Woodhouse
2002-02-16 13:57 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 15:21 ` Adam Kropelin
2002-02-16 14:51 ` David Woodhouse
2002-02-16 15:56 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 5:12 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-15 22:09 ` Richard Gooch
2002-02-15 21:50 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 22:27 ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 22:19 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 0:15 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-02-16 16:00 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 16:53 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-02-17 0:05 ` Felix von Leitner
2002-02-15 22:38 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-15 22:22 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 23:23 ` Matthias Andree
2002-02-15 23:29 ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 23:37 ` David Lang
2002-02-16 2:11 ` Matthias Andree
2002-02-15 23:36 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-15 23:51 ` David Lang
2002-02-16 0:49 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-16 0:08 ` Ben Greear
2002-02-18 9:41 ` Rogier Wolff
2002-02-18 16:07 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-16 9:53 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-16 13:04 ` Matthias Andree
2002-02-16 15:53 ` Michal Jaegermann
2002-02-17 23:06 ` Matthias Andree
2002-02-15 22:41 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-15 23:37 ` Alexander Viro
2002-02-16 1:14 ` William Scott Lockwood III
2002-02-16 1:59 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-16 2:08 ` William Scott Lockwood III
2002-02-17 4:36 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-16 4:17 ` John Jasen
2002-02-16 4:20 ` William Scott Lockwood III
2002-02-15 22:27 ` yodaiken
2002-02-15 22:19 ` Cort Dougan
2002-02-16 8:33 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 14:53 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 16:55 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-15 22:21 ` Robert Love
2002-02-15 22:29 ` That Linux Guy
2002-02-16 5:02 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 14:50 ` Eric S. Raymond [this message]
2002-02-16 15:33 ` CML2 feedback (was Re: Disgusted with kbuild developers) Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 16:06 ` Disgusted with kbuild developers Nicolas Pitre
2002-02-16 16:08 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 16:37 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 17:34 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-02-17 6:46 ` Matt D. Robinson
2002-02-16 18:29 ` Of Bundling, Dao and Cowardice Alexander Viro
2002-02-16 19:16 ` That Linux Guy <thatlinuxguy@hotmail.com>,Re: " Rik van Riel
2002-02-18 17:33 ` bill davidsen
2002-02-20 19:53 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-02-16 22:29 ` Disgusted with kbuild developers Joel Becker
2002-02-17 0:05 ` Rob Landley
2002-02-17 0:26 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-02-17 23:10 ` Matthias Andree
2002-02-16 9:46 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-15 21:24 ` Rob Landley
2002-02-16 9:30 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-15 17:02 ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-15 17:35 ` Alexander Viro
2002-02-15 18:00 ` Michael Alan Dorman
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-02-15 18:16 Dan Kegel
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[not found] ` <fa.h6krj0v.ggg1hm@ifi.uio.no>
2002-02-16 9:04 ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2002-02-17 17:59 Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2002-02-17 22:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-18 21:04 ` Pavel Machek
2002-02-19 2:42 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-19 22:27 ` Felix von Leitner
2002-02-20 1:02 ` Keith Moore
2002-02-18 4:20 Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2002-02-18 15:15 SodaPop
2002-02-19 2:48 ` Daniel Phillips
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[not found] ` <fa.iuo8icv.19g8gre@ifi.uio.no>
2002-02-19 7:55 ` Giacomo Catenazzi
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[not found] ` <fa.hhvfopv.1f70hqv@ifi.uio.no>
2002-02-19 8:04 ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2002-02-19 8:13 ` Alexander Viro
2002-02-19 9:15 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-19 21:06 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-02-20 11:43 ` Pavel Machek
2002-02-19 10:04 Greg Banks
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2002-02-19 11:23 ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2002-02-19 10:51 ` Greg Banks
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