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From: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>
To: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@mandrakesoft.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Possible breakthrough in the CML2 logjam?
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 12:32:52 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020216123252.B1582@thyrsus.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020215213833.J27880@suse.de> <1013810923.807.1055.camel@phantasy> <20020215232832.N27880@suse.de> <3C6DE87C.FA96D1D6@mandrakesoft.com> <20020216095202.M23546@thyrsus.com> <3C6E7C75.A6659D72@mandrakesoft.com> <20020216105219.A31001@thyrsus.com> <3C6E8A15.D5C209B1@mandrakesoft.com> <20020216115739.B32311@thyrsus.com> <3C6E9717.86D66D54@mandrakesoft.com>
In-Reply-To: <3C6E9717.86D66D54@mandrakesoft.com>; from jgarzik@mandrakesoft.com on Sat, Feb 16, 2002 at 12:29:59PM -0500

Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@mandrakesoft.com>:
> Well, let's simmer things down a bit and see what other people have to
> say.  Maybe I'm completely off base.

Jeff, I'm not asking "other people".  I'm asking *you*.  

You're one of the people Linus says he trusts.  Linus has said,
explicitly, to myself and Dave Jones, on this very issue, "get me out
of the loop".  My take is that if you switch from opposing CML2 to
supporting it, the political wars will probably be about over.

I hope the prospect of actually getting to a metadata-centered
configuration system in our lifetime will be sufficient incentive for
you to do so.  Oh lovely dream...I could have a prototype
metadata-to-CML2-bus-guards translator in less than two weeks, I
think, if I didn't have to maintain the CML2 rulebase all by myself.  I
want to go there.

> But to answer the question which the subtext seemed to asking (at least
> to me), no, there is no vendetta against you.  And for the record on a
> specific detail, I have no problem with python use.  If I have no major
> objection based purely on technical grounds, that what you'll be hearing
> from me.

OK.  Is "global dependencies" your sole technical showstopper?  If so,
can we dispose of the ill-defined "CML2 will fuck up my workflow" thing?

If you tell me yes, we can move to a discussion of why global
dependencies are a problem and how to solve it.
-- 
		<a href="http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/">Eric S. Raymond</a>

  reply	other threads:[~2002-02-16 17:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 137+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-02-15 16:55 Disgusted with kbuild developers Jeff Garzik
2002-02-15 16:51 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 17:25   ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 19:01     ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 17:25   ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-15 17:13     ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 17:27   ` Tom Rini
2002-02-15 17:31   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-15 17:25     ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 18:24       ` Alexander Viro
2002-02-15 18:55         ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 19:29           ` Arjan van de Ven
2002-02-15 19:14             ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 19:58               ` Arjan van de Ven
2002-02-15 19:54                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 20:38                   ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 20:45                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16  8:37                       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-15 21:34                     ` Alan Cox
2002-02-15 20:59                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 21:47                         ` Alan Cox
2002-02-15 21:46                           ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 22:40                             ` Alan Cox
2002-02-15 22:08                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 22:52                                 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-16  9:50                                   ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-16  4:57                               ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16  7:41                                 ` Gerd Knorr
2002-02-16 12:36                                 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-16 14:10                                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 22:44                             ` Rob Landley
2002-02-19  8:04                             ` Pavel Machek
2002-02-19 21:13                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 22:08                     ` Robert Love
2002-02-15 22:28                       ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 22:11                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 23:07                           ` Alan Cox
2002-02-16 15:54                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 16:38                               ` Alan Cox
2002-02-16 16:22                                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 16:52                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 17:10                                   ` Alan Cox
2002-02-16 16:50                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16  5:05                         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 11:23                           ` Matthias Andree
2002-02-16 14:52                           ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 15:36                             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 15:52                               ` Possible breakthrough in the CML2 logjam? Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 16:34                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 16:57                                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 17:29                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 17:32                                       ` Eric S. Raymond [this message]
2002-02-16 19:01                                         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-17  0:57                                         ` Felix von Leitner
2002-02-20  9:07                                           ` 'revolting' overemphasizes personal beliefs && religion bert hubert
2002-02-16 17:37                                     ` Possible breakthrough in the CML2 logjam? Larry McVoy
2002-02-16 17:16                                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 17:48                                         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 17:50                                         ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-18 10:06                                           ` Rogier Wolff
2002-02-15 20:42                   ` Disgusted with kbuild developers Larry McVoy
2002-02-15 20:39                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 21:15                       ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 20:58                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 21:49                           ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 22:04                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 22:41                               ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 23:26                               ` Rob Landley
2002-02-16  6:35                                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 18:20                                   ` Rob Landley
2002-02-16  9:21                                 ` David Woodhouse
2002-02-16 13:57                                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 15:21                                     ` Adam Kropelin
2002-02-16 14:51                                   ` David Woodhouse
2002-02-16 15:56                                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16  5:12                               ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-15 22:09                           ` Richard Gooch
2002-02-15 21:50                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 22:27                               ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 22:19                                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16  0:15                                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-02-16 16:00                                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 16:53                                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-02-17  0:05                                     ` Felix von Leitner
2002-02-15 22:38                               ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-15 22:22                                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-15 23:23                                 ` Matthias Andree
2002-02-15 23:29                                   ` Dave Jones
2002-02-15 23:37                                     ` David Lang
2002-02-16  2:11                                     ` Matthias Andree
2002-02-15 23:36                                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-15 23:51                                     ` David Lang
2002-02-16  0:49                                       ` Alan Cox
2002-02-16  0:08                                     ` Ben Greear
2002-02-18  9:41                                     ` Rogier Wolff
2002-02-18 16:07                                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-16  9:53                                   ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-16 13:04                                     ` Matthias Andree
2002-02-16 15:53                                       ` Michal Jaegermann
2002-02-17 23:06                                         ` Matthias Andree
2002-02-15 22:41                               ` Alan Cox
2002-02-15 23:37                               ` Alexander Viro
2002-02-16  1:14                                 ` William Scott Lockwood III
2002-02-16  1:59                                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-16  2:08                                     ` William Scott Lockwood III
2002-02-17  4:36                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-16  4:17                                     ` John Jasen
2002-02-16  4:20                                       ` William Scott Lockwood III
2002-02-15 22:27                             ` yodaiken
2002-02-15 22:19                           ` Cort Dougan
2002-02-16  8:33                           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 14:53                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 16:55                               ` Alan Cox
2002-02-15 22:21                       ` Robert Love
2002-02-15 22:29                         ` That Linux Guy
2002-02-16  5:02                           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 14:50                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 15:33                               ` CML2 feedback (was Re: Disgusted with kbuild developers) Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 16:06                               ` Disgusted with kbuild developers Nicolas Pitre
2002-02-16 16:08                                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2002-02-16 16:37                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-16 17:34                                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-02-17  6:46                                     ` Matt D. Robinson
2002-02-16 18:29                                   ` Of Bundling, Dao and Cowardice Alexander Viro
2002-02-16 19:16                                     ` That Linux Guy <thatlinuxguy@hotmail.com>,Re: " Rik van Riel
2002-02-18 17:33                                     ` bill davidsen
2002-02-20 19:53                                     ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-02-16 22:29                                   ` Disgusted with kbuild developers Joel Becker
2002-02-17  0:05                                 ` Rob Landley
2002-02-17  0:26                                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-02-17 23:10                                 ` Matthias Andree
2002-02-16  9:46                           ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-15 21:24           ` Rob Landley
2002-02-16  9:30           ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-15 17:02 ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-15 17:35   ` Alexander Viro
2002-02-15 18:00 ` Michael Alan Dorman

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