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From: R.E.Wolff@BitWizard.nl (Rogier Wolff)
To: "Martin J. Bligh" <Martin.Bligh@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Rogier Wolff <R.E.Wolff@BitWizard.nl>,
	Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk <roy@karlsbakk.net>,
	Jens Schmidt <j.schmidt@paradise.net.nz>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: secure erasure of files?
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:48:58 +0100 (MET)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200202191848.TAA08419@cave.bitwizard.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <31030000.1014141568@flay> from "Martin J. Bligh" at "Feb 19, 2002 09:59:28 am"

Martin J. Bligh wrote:
> > Some success is rumored to be able to be achieved by sampling the
> > normal signal, and then subtracting the "expected signal assuming the
> > current sequence of bits that was read". That way you might be able to
> > recover the information that peeks out from below. 
> 
> It's more than rumour - I've seen this done. Dr Solomon's (whatever
> they called their data recovery branch), early 1990's, England.
> Maybe it was easier on older hardware like the MFM / RLL disks,
> and certainly easier to piece together fragmented data with earlier
> file formats.

Maybe the difference is in "what's the goal". For datarecovery we
don't really care about just a couple of bits here and there: We want
to piece together the whole thing. 

If you don't want a piece of your data getting into wrong hands
however, you'd better be safe than sorry.

So I (and the Ibas guy) are talking about practical recovery of a
useful amount of data, while even a couple of bits is in theory
dangerous if you really want it "gone".

> I believe the point of overwriting 3 times (or whatever) is to reduce
> the "subtracted difference" to noise levels where it's no longer useful.

Right. 

		Roger. 

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  reply	other threads:[~2002-02-19 18:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-02-19 14:48 secure erasure of files? Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2002-02-19 17:32 ` Rogier Wolff
2002-02-19 17:59   ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-02-19 18:48     ` Rogier Wolff [this message]
2002-02-19 20:01       ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-19 23:13 ` Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-02-19 16:19 Jesse Pollard
2002-02-12 21:14 Torrey Hoffman
     [not found] <200202121326.g1CDQct12086@Port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua>
2002-02-12 13:33 ` Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2002-02-17 21:19   ` Jan-Frode Myklebust
2002-02-19 12:54     ` Jens Schmidt
2002-02-19 14:24       ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-02-21  2:56         ` Petro
2002-02-21  3:20           ` M. Edward Borasky
2002-02-21 17:01             ` Holger Lubitz
2002-02-26  3:39             ` Petro
2002-02-12 13:12 Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2002-02-12 13:41 ` Davidovac Zoran
2002-02-12 14:03   ` Padraig Brady
2002-02-12 15:55   ` Andreas Ferber
2002-02-12 19:47     ` Jan Hudec
2002-02-12 20:25       ` Andrew Morton
2002-02-13  0:03         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-13  9:33     ` Helge Hafting
2002-02-13 18:27       ` Mike Fedyk
2002-02-13  0:36 ` Tom Vier
2002-02-13  0:45   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-20 15:34 ` Bill Davidsen

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