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From: Mike Fedyk <mfedyk@matchmail.com>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: James D Strandboge <jstrand1@rochester.rr.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: ext3 and undeletion
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 18:17:14 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020304021714.GB353@matchmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1014848170.18953.57.camel@hedwig.strandboge.cxm> <E16gCdF-00069W-00@the-village.bc.nu>
In-Reply-To: <E16gCdF-00069W-00@the-village.bc.nu>

On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 10:33:05PM +0000, Alan Cox wrote:
> > /root/.bashrc /etc/fstab'), wouldn't 'cp' (or most any other app) first
> > unlink the first file (/etc/fstab), then create and write the new one?
> 
> Unlikely - It will truncate it and write over it. Try strace cp 8)

Doesn't truncate use the same inode after the trunc op?  If so, then using
another inode after the trunc op would break unix semantics.  In order to
work, you'd have to use a new inode (in .undelete, of course), copy, then do
the actual trunc call. 
This would make truncation expensive, whereas before it was pretty fast.
Modifying unlink will probably suffice.

Though, if truncate is modified for undelete, people could claim that our
solution is better than others and can save data in more cases.  Also, it
could be used as a rudamentary file versioning system. :)  This feature
should be optional, and enabled only at the sysadmin's discression.

Hmm, truncating a large file would basically copy it, and that is what
usually happens during a save operation.  So, this option needs some serious
thinking before proceeding.

Also, it would put more stress on the cleanup facilities of undeletion
because more data would pass through the undelete dir.  But, communication
(however you want do to do that, be it socket or etc...) between the
unlink/truncate calls and the cleanup system should make most possible races
small or non-existant.

I've probably left something out, so feel free to fill in the blanks.

Mike

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-03-04  4:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-02-26 17:48 ext3 and undeletion Rose, Billy
2002-02-26 17:53 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-26 18:03   ` Mike Fedyk
2002-02-26 17:56 ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-26 19:41   ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-26 18:00 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-02-26 18:15   ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-26 18:23     ` Jakob Østergaard
2002-02-26 18:19   ` David Lang
2002-02-26 18:29 ` Andreas Ferber
2002-02-27 21:00 ` James D Strandboge
2002-02-27 21:40   ` Alan Cox
2002-02-27 22:16     ` James D Strandboge
2002-02-27 22:33       ` Alan Cox
2002-02-27 23:03         ` James D Strandboge
2002-02-28  0:29           ` James D Strandboge
2002-03-04  2:17         ` Mike Fedyk [this message]
2002-03-04 15:12           ` Alan Cox
2002-03-04 15:33             ` Mike Fedyk
2002-03-04 19:17             ` James D Strandboge
2002-03-04 20:08               ` Jesse Pollard
2002-03-02 17:36   ` Pablo Alcaraz
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-03-05 23:04 Rose, Billy
2002-03-06 20:03 ` Mark Mielke
2002-03-07 21:30 ` Patrick Lynch
2002-02-28 10:37 Randal, Phil
2002-02-26 18:39 Dana Lacoste
2002-02-26 18:47 ` Daniel Gryniewicz
2002-02-26 18:51 ` David Lang
     [not found] <fa.n4lfl6v.h4chor@ifi.uio.no>
2002-02-25 17:06 ` Dan Maas
2002-02-25 17:20   ` Mike Fedyk
2002-02-25 23:33     ` Tom Rauschenbach
2002-02-26  0:27       ` Bernd Eckenfels
2002-02-26  5:53       ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-02-26 16:05         ` Mike Fedyk
2002-02-26 16:31           ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-02-26 16:40             ` Mike Fedyk
2002-02-26 16:55               ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-02-26 17:12                 ` Mike Fedyk
2002-02-26 16:36           ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-26 16:43             ` Mike Fedyk
2002-02-26 16:54               ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-26 17:05                 ` Mike Fedyk
2002-02-26 17:07                   ` Martin Dalecki
2002-02-26 17:16                     ` Mike Fedyk
2002-02-26 17:22                       ` Rik van Riel
2002-02-26 17:38                         ` Mike Fedyk
2002-02-26 18:14                           ` Andreas Ferber
2002-02-26 18:55                             ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-26 22:04                           ` Mike Fedyk
2002-02-26 18:34                       ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-02-26 18:34                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-02-26 18:47                           ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-02-26 18:52                         ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-28 15:05                         ` Andreas Ferber
2002-02-28 22:37                           ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-28 22:55                           ` James D Strandboge
2002-03-01  4:44                           ` Mike Fedyk
2002-03-04 16:26                           ` Pavel Machek
2002-03-05 21:29                             ` Andreas Ferber
2002-03-06 11:30                               ` Pavel Machek
2002-03-05 22:07                             ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-02-26 17:22                     ` Mike Fedyk
2002-03-01  0:19                       ` Rick Lindsley
2002-03-01  1:02                         ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-26 17:54                   ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-26 18:24                 ` Alan Cox
2002-03-04 15:40     ` Pavel Machek
2002-02-25 18:08   ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-02-25 18:40     ` Mike Fedyk
2002-02-25 19:49       ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-25 16:46 Rose, Billy
2002-02-25  3:27 Steven Walter
2002-02-25  5:08 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-25 10:16 ` Fabrice Bellet

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