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From: "Stephen C. Tweedie" <sct@redhat.com>
To: Chris Mason <mason@suse.com>
Cc: "Stephen C. Tweedie" <sct@redhat.com>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@steeleye.com>,
	Daniel Phillips <phillips@bonn-fries.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] 2.4.x write barriers (updated for ext3)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 18:05:37 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020304180537.F1444@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <phillips@bonn-fries.net> <200203041503.g24F3WU01722@localhost.localdomain> <20020304170434.B1444@redhat.com> <1201480000.1015262195@tiny>
In-Reply-To: <1201480000.1015262195@tiny>; from mason@suse.com on Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 12:16:35PM -0500

Hi,

On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 12:16:35PM -0500, Chris Mason wrote:
 
> writeback data order is important, mostly because of where the data blocks
> are in relation to the log.  If you've got bdflush unloading data blocks
> to the disk, and another process doing a commit, the drive's queue
> might look like this:
> 
> data1, data2, data3, commit1, data4, data5 etc.
> 
> If commit1 is an ordered tag, the drive is required to flush 
> data1, data2 and data3, then write the commit, then seek back
> for data4 and data5.

Yes, but that's a performance issue, not a correctness one.

Also, as soon as we have journals on external devices, this whole
thing changes entirely.  We still have to enforce the commit ordering
in the journal, but we also still need the ordering between that
commit and any subsequent writeback, and that obviousy can no longer
be achieved via ordered tags if the two writes are happening on
different devices.

--Stephen

  reply	other threads:[~2002-03-04 18:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-02-22 15:57 [PATCH] 2.4.x write barriers (updated for ext3) James Bottomley
2002-02-22 16:10 ` Chris Mason
2002-02-22 16:13 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-02-22 17:36   ` James Bottomley
2002-02-22 18:14     ` Chris Mason
2002-02-28 15:36       ` James Bottomley
2002-02-28 15:55         ` Chris Mason
2002-02-28 17:58           ` Mike Anderson
2002-02-28 18:12           ` Chris Mason
2002-03-01  2:08             ` James Bottomley
2002-03-03 22:11         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-04  3:34           ` Chris Mason
2002-03-04  5:05             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-04 15:03               ` James Bottomley
2002-03-04 17:04                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-03-04 17:16                   ` Chris Mason
2002-03-04 18:05                     ` Stephen C. Tweedie [this message]
2002-03-04 18:28                       ` James Bottomley
2002-03-04 19:55                         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-03-04 19:48                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-04 19:57                         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-03-04 21:06                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-05 14:58                             ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-03-05  7:48                         ` Jens Axboe
2002-03-04 19:51                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-05  7:42                       ` Jens Axboe
2002-03-04 17:35                   ` James Bottomley
2002-03-04 17:48                     ` Chris Mason
2002-03-04 18:11                       ` James Bottomley
2002-03-04 18:41                         ` Chris Mason
2002-03-04 21:34                         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-03-04 18:09                     ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-03-04  8:19             ` Helge Hafting
2002-03-04 14:57             ` James Bottomley
2002-03-04 17:24               ` Chris Mason
2002-03-04 19:02                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-05  7:22               ` Jeremy Higdon
2002-03-05 23:01                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-04  4:21           ` Jeremy Higdon
2002-03-04  5:31             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-04  6:09               ` Jeremy Higdon
2002-03-04  7:57                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-05  7:09                   ` Jeremy Higdon
2002-03-05 22:56                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-04 16:52                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-03-04 18:15                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-05  7:40                     ` Jens Axboe
2002-03-05 22:29                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-12  7:01                         ` Jens Axboe
2002-03-10  5:24                   ` Douglas Gilbert
2002-03-11 11:13                     ` Kurt Garloff
2002-03-12  1:17                       ` GOTO Masanori
2002-03-12  6:58                       ` Jens Axboe
2002-03-13 22:37                         ` Peter Osterlund
2002-03-11 11:34                     ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-03-11 17:15                       ` James Bottomley
2002-03-04 14:48           ` James Bottomley
2002-03-06 13:59             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-06 14:34               ` James Bottomley
2002-02-25 10:57 ` Helge Hafting
2002-02-25 15:04   ` James Bottomley
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-03-01 15:26 Dieter Nützel
2002-03-01 16:00 ` James Bottomley
2002-02-21 23:30 Chris Mason
2002-02-22 14:19 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-02-22 15:26   ` Chris Mason
2002-01-10  9:55 [ANNOUNCE] FUSE: Filesystem in Userspace 0.95 Miklos Szeredi
2002-01-13  3:10 ` Pavel Machek
2002-01-21 10:18   ` Miklos Szeredi
2002-01-23 10:47     ` Pavel Machek
2002-01-22 19:07 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-23  2:33   ` [Avfs] " Justin Mason
2002-01-23  5:26     ` Daniel Phillips

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