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From: Troy Benjegerdes <hozer@drgw.net>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Cc: Larry McVoy <lm@work.bitmover.com>, Kent Borg <kentborg@borg.org>,
	The Open Source Club at The Ohio State University 
	<opensource-admin@cis.ohio-state.edu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, opensource@cis.ohio-state.edu
Subject: Re: Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeeper by Linux Maintainers
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 10:17:01 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020307101701.S1682@altus.drgw.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020305165233.A28212@fireball.zosima.org> <20020305163809.D1682@altus.drgw.net> <20020305165123.V12235@work.bitmover.com> <20020306095434.B6599@borg.org> <20020306085646.F15303@work.bitmover.com> <20020306221305.GA370@elf.ucw.cz>
In-Reply-To: <20020306221305.GA370@elf.ucw.cz>; from pavel@ucw.cz on Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 11:13:05PM +0100

On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 11:13:05PM +0100, Pavel Machek wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> > > I also dislike the irony of BK being proprietary.  Sure, they might
> > > have an enlightened and generous attitude not, but PGP used to be
> > > free, then it became kinda free and then it became orphaned.  Luckily
> > > GPG came along, luckily PGP didn't have a monoploy on our history.
> > 
> > PGP didn't have a business model, we do, and part of our business model
> > is to give it away to some of the world.  It's a good business model,
> > BK is dramatically better because the PPC team used it and Cort went
> > through all sorts of stuff as BK improved.  BK would easily be a
> > year
> 
> So you basically give bk for free because it is good for you. What if
> it will stop being good for you ten years from now?

Then we move on to another system. This is why I think we need some kind
of gateway to another SCM. If BK goes away, we could export everything to
tarballs and patches or whatever, but it would be a large PITA, and stop
lots of people's development for awhile. (I've done bk->cvs this way once
before, it was really ugly, and I never want to do it again given the
choice).

I'd really like everyone that's bitching about BK to shut the hell up and
go work on some scripts to allow a maintainer to easily manage a
BK<->$OTHER_SCM gateway. Either give me a working alternative to BK or go
run for political office. Until I see an alternative, I'm going to
continue advocating for real developers to use BK, and complainers to show
me an alternative.

-- 
Troy Benjegerdes | master of mispeeling | 'da hozer' |  hozer@drgw.net
-----"If this message isn't misspelled, I didn't write it" -- Me -----
"Why do musicians compose symphonies and poets write poems? They do it
because life wouldn't have any meaning for them if they didn't. That's 
why I draw cartoons. It's my life." -- Charles Schulz

  reply	other threads:[~2002-03-07 16:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-03-05 21:52 Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeeper by Linux Maintainers The Open Source Club at The Ohio State University
2002-03-05 22:16 ` Andrew Morton
2002-03-05 22:38 ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-03-06  0:51   ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-06 14:54     ` Kent Borg
2002-03-06 16:56       ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-06 22:13         ` Pavel Machek
2002-03-07 16:17           ` Troy Benjegerdes [this message]
2002-03-07 19:54             ` Andrew Morton
2002-03-07 20:15               ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-07 20:38                 ` yodaiken
2002-03-07 21:05                 ` [opensource] " michael bernstein
2002-03-07 21:07                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-07 21:24                     ` Richard Gooch
2002-03-07 22:44                       ` Florian Weimer
2002-03-07 23:08                         ` [opensource] Re: Petition Against Official Endorsement of Alan Cox
2002-03-07 23:04                           ` Florian Weimer
2002-03-08  4:12                     ` Open Source should stand on its own two legs Mark Mielke
2002-03-07 21:41                   ` [opensource] Re: Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeeper by Linux Maintainers yodaiken
2002-03-07 22:01                   ` John Jasen
2002-03-07 22:17                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-07 23:21                   ` Alan Cox
2002-03-13  2:31                     ` Petro
2002-03-08  2:38                   ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-07 20:50               ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-03-07 20:53                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-07 21:23                 ` Andrew Morton
2002-03-07 21:42                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-07 21:47                 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-03-07 20:50               ` Cort Dougan
2002-03-07 21:12                 ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-07 21:15                   ` Cort Dougan
2002-03-07 22:28                   ` Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeeper by LinuxMaintainers Andrew Morton
2002-03-07 22:47                     ` Cort Dougan
2002-03-07 22:56                       ` Andrew Morton
2002-03-15  6:45                     ` kgdb for 2.4 and 2.5, now in BK Jeff Garzik
2002-03-07 21:47                 ` Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeeper by Linux Maintainers Andrew Morton
2002-03-07 21:58                   ` Cort Dougan
2002-03-07 21:58                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-07 22:08                   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-07 22:46                 ` Florian Weimer
2002-03-07 22:42             ` Florian Weimer
2002-03-07 19:18           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-07 19:32             ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-07 20:12             ` george anzinger
2002-03-07 21:37             ` kernel debuggers (was Bitkeeper Bashing) Jeff V. Merkey
2002-03-05 22:41 ` Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeeper by Linux Maintainers Jeff V. Merkey
2002-03-05 22:40   ` [opensource] " Colin Walters
2002-03-05 22:54     ` [opensource] Re: Petition Against Official Endorsement ofBitKeeper " Jeff Garzik
2002-03-05 23:06       ` Colin Walters
2002-03-05 23:11       ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-03-06  0:09       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2002-03-06  2:23       ` Karl
2002-03-06  3:35         ` michael bernstein
2002-03-07  1:22       ` David Schwartz
2002-03-05 23:01     ` [opensource] Re: Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeeper " Mike Fedyk
2002-03-05 23:14       ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-03-05 23:25         ` David Lang
2002-03-06 20:46         ` Mark Mielke
2002-03-06 21:07           ` Chris Friesen
2002-03-07  2:35           ` Petro
2002-03-05 23:16       ` David Lang
2002-03-05 23:19       ` Colin Walters
2002-03-05 23:36       ` Michael Bernstein
2002-03-05 23:52         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-05 23:57           ` That Linux Guy
2002-03-06  0:02         ` Kenneth Johansson
2002-03-06  1:05         ` Alexander Viro
2002-03-06  1:22           ` Dave Jones
2002-03-06  1:46             ` Shawn Starr
2002-03-06  1:50               ` Mike Fedyk
2002-03-06  1:59                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-06  2:19                 ` Shawn Starr
2002-03-06 16:08         ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-07  1:27         ` David Schwartz
2002-03-07  1:34           ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-07  2:33             ` Petro
2002-03-07  7:06               ` Rob Turk
2002-03-09 16:12       ` [opensource] Re: Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeepe Kai Henningsen
2002-03-06 16:04     ` [opensource] Re: Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeeper by Linux Maintainers Rik van Riel
2002-03-06 19:46       ` Colin Walters
2002-03-06 20:12         ` Davide Libenzi
2002-03-06 20:24           ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-06 20:57       ` David S. Miller
2002-03-06 21:12         ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-06 21:15           ` Cort Dougan
2002-03-06 21:25         ` Evan Powers
2002-03-05 22:50   ` Kilobug
2002-03-05 23:29   ` Stephen Samuel
     [not found]     ` <004301c1c4a6$ab218340$b0d3fea9@pcs686>
2002-03-08  1:39       ` Stephen Samuel
2002-03-08  2:25         ` Alexander Viro
2002-03-08  3:32         ` yodaiken
2002-03-08  4:35           ` Andreas Dilger
2002-03-08  7:56         ` Sean Hunter
2002-03-06  2:23   ` Karl
2002-03-06  3:47     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2002-03-06  3:40       ` [opensource] " michael bernstein
2002-03-06  5:04         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2002-03-05 23:58 ` Alan Cox
2002-03-06  0:11   ` [opensource] " Colin Walters
2002-03-06  6:11     ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2002-03-06  7:50 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-03-06 15:58 ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-07  9:15   ` Pau Aliagas
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-03-05 22:33 rddunlap
     [not found] <20020305165233.A28212@fireball.zosima.org.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <3C8543CC.A6017F76@zip.com.au.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-03-06  9:40   ` Andi Kleen
2002-03-06 10:17     ` Dave Jones
2002-03-06 14:48       ` Paul P Komkoff Jr
2002-03-06 15:59         ` yodaiken
2002-03-06 13:26     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-03-06 14:30       ` Roman Zippel
2002-03-06 17:00         ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-06 18:11           ` Roman Zippel
2002-03-07  4:27             ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-03-07 16:51           ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-03-07 17:26             ` Mark Mielke
2002-03-07 17:39               ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-08 10:07             ` Matthias Andree
2002-03-07 18:02 Jean-Luc Leger
2002-03-07 18:33 ` Cort Dougan
2002-03-07 18:10 Nicholas Berry

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