unwanted disk access by the kernel?

unwanted disk access by the kernel?

[Dan Maas]

I've been trying to set up my laptop for mobile use. I'm having a
problem with unwanted disk activity - even when the system is
completely idle, there is still an occasional trickle of disk writes
(which prevents the poor hard drive from ever spinning down). 

Yes, I thought this was a user-space issue too - but even booting into
a bare-bones root environment does not stop the occasional disk
access! Here is everything that's left:

 PID USER       VSZ  RSS     TIME STAT COMMAND          WCHAN
    7 root         0    0 00:00:00 SW   [kupdated]       kupdate
    6 root         0    0 00:00:00 SW   [bdflush]        bdflush
    5 root         0    0 00:00:00 SW   [kswapd]         kswapd
    4 root         0    0 00:00:00 SWN  [ksoftirqd_CPU0] ksoftirqd
    1 root      1316  524 00:00:05 S    init [S]         select
    2 root         0    0 00:00:00 SW   [keventd]        context_thread
    3 root         0    0 00:00:00 SW   [kapmd]          apm_mainloop
    8 root         0    0 00:00:00 Z    [khubd <defunct> exit
  879 root      1316  524 00:00:00 S    init [S]         wait4
  880 root      2556 1576 00:00:00 S     \_ bash         wait4
  927 root      3524 1512 00:00:00 R         \_ ps afx - -

If I manually spin down the disk, it always wakes up within 30 seconds
or so. During the spin-up, kupdated goes into the 'D' state and blocks
in wait_on_buffer(). This means it's writing dirty filesystem buffers,
right? So who is doing the dirtying? I've eliminated all possible
user-space sources of I/O! (strace confirms that NO user-space
processes are doing I/O; they're all sleeping...)

(I'm running a stock Linus 2.4.18 kernel, with APM enabled. The system
is Debian woody. All filesystems are ext2.)

Regards,
Dan

Re: unwanted disk access by the kernel?

[Andrew Morton]

Dan Maas wrote:
> 
> I've been trying to set up my laptop for mobile use. I'm having a
> problem with unwanted disk activity - even when the system is
> completely idle, there is still an occasional trickle of disk writes
> (which prevents the poor hard drive from ever spinning down).
> 
> Yes, I thought this was a user-space issue too - but even booting into
> a bare-bones root environment does not stop the occasional disk
> access! Here is everything that's left:

Are all filesystems mounted with the `noatime' mount option?

>  PID USER       VSZ  RSS     TIME STAT COMMAND          WCHAN
>     7 root         0    0 00:00:00 SW   [kupdated]       kupdate
>     6 root         0    0 00:00:00 SW   [bdflush]        bdflush
>     5 root         0    0 00:00:00 SW   [kswapd]         kswapd
>     4 root         0    0 00:00:00 SWN  [ksoftirqd_CPU0] ksoftirqd
>     1 root      1316  524 00:00:05 S    init [S]         select
>     2 root         0    0 00:00:00 SW   [keventd]        context_thread
>     3 root         0    0 00:00:00 SW   [kapmd]          apm_mainloop
>     8 root         0    0 00:00:00 Z    [khubd <defunct> exit

eww.  Does khubd always do that?  Does this patch make it behave?




--- linux-2.4.19-pre3/drivers/usb/hub.c	Mon Mar 11 14:53:21 2002
+++ linux-akpm/drivers/usb/hub.c	Thu Mar 14 22:59:17 2002
@@ -908,6 +908,7 @@ static int usb_hub_thread(void *__hub)
 	 */
 
 	daemonize();
+	reparent_to_init();
 
 	/* Setup a nice name */
 	strcpy(current->comm, "khubd");

-

Re: unwanted disk access by the kernel?

[Jeremy Jackson]

You may also want to mount your (root) filesystem(s) with the
"noatime" option... check the linux laptops site for other tips.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Maas" <dmaas@dcine.com>
To: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 10:36 PM
Subject: unwanted disk access by the kernel?


> I've been trying to set up my laptop for mobile use. I'm having a
> problem with unwanted disk activity - even when the system is
> completely idle, there is still an occasional trickle of disk writes
-SNIP-

Re: unwanted disk access by the kernel?

[Dan Maas]

> You may also want to mount your (root) filesystem(s) with the
> "noatime" option... check the linux laptops site for other tips.

Thanks Jeremy and Alan - mounting the filesystems 'noatime,nodiratime'
cleared up the last bits of disk activity. (I'm still curious why atime
updates would be happening even though the system is as idle as I can make
it without cutting the power... =)

By the way, if I enable 'APM makes CPU idle calls when idle,' I get a
constant stream of 'apm_do_idle failed (3)' messages. APM also doesn't seem
to be able to power the machine down... This is a Dell Inspiron 7500...
Maybe I should try ACPI?

Regards,
Dan

Re: unwanted disk access by the kernel?

[Alan Cox]

> By the way, if I enable 'APM makes CPU idle calls when idle,' I get a
> constant stream of 'apm_do_idle failed (3)' messages. APM also doesn't seem
> to be able to power the machine down... This is a Dell Inspiron 7500...
> Maybe I should try ACPI?

ACPI is a bit experimental right now but if you want some fun then obviously
the more people who break the ACPI code the better.

Alan

Re: unwanted disk access by the kernel?

[Mike Fedyk]

On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 07:02:30PM +0000, Alan Cox wrote:
> > By the way, if I enable 'APM makes CPU idle calls when idle,' I get a
> > constant stream of 'apm_do_idle failed (3)' messages. APM also doesn't seem
> > to be able to power the machine down... This is a Dell Inspiron 7500...
> > Maybe I should try ACPI?
> 
> ACPI is a bit experimental right now but if you want some fun then obviously
> the more people who break the ACPI code the better.

For my uses (basically just power down) ACPI has worked on 99% of my
machines (mix of pii & piii).

Re: unwanted disk access by the kernel?

[Joachim Breuer]

Mike Fedyk <mfedyk@matchmail.com> writes:
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 07:02:30PM +0000, Alan Cox wrote:
>> > By the way, if I enable 'APM makes CPU idle calls when idle,' I get a
>> > constant stream of 'apm_do_idle failed (3)' messages. APM also doesn't seem
>> > to be able to power the machine down... This is a Dell Inspiron 7500...
>> > Maybe I should try ACPI?
>> 
>> ACPI is a bit experimental right now but if you want some fun then obviously
>> the more people who break the ACPI code the better.
>
> For my uses (basically just power down) ACPI has worked on 99% of my
> machines (mix of pii & piii).

Same here (I'd rather say 100%). Temperature reading seems to work in
all machines as well. That's just machines I'm actually touching,
though; so they tend not to be supermarket bargains.

On a halfway related note APM fails to power down my Siemens PCD-5ND
(Pentium 75 laptop) (which obviously doesn't support ACPI).

The interesting thing is that the kernel shipped with RH 7.2 does
power down the machine, just the one from kernel.org doesn't
(2.4.16). (APM compiled as a module).

Is there some patch I could try?


So long,
   Joe

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 word processor."
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Re: unwanted disk access by the kernel?

[Alan Cox]

> (I'm running a stock Linus 2.4.18 kernel, with APM enabled. The system
> is Debian woody. All filesystems are ext2.)

Mounted with or without noatime ?

Re: unwanted disk access by the kernel?

[Pavel Machek]

Hi!

> I've been trying to set up my laptop for mobile use. I'm having a
> problem with unwanted disk activity - even when the system is
> completely idle, there is still an occasional trickle of disk writes
> (which prevents the poor hard drive from ever spinning down). 

Get noflushd.
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