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From: Jos Hulzink <josh@stack.nl>
To: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: IDE and hot-swap disk caddies
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 12:37:36 +0100 (CET)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020328120105.C89160-100000@toad.stack.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3CA25A1A.31572.2DCF314@localhost>

To get everything clear, regarding the hot-swapping laptops:

ATA is the standard that tells how to communicate with a harddisk. You
just can stop communicating, easy as it is. Finish the last command like
ATA says you to, and the communication is idle.

IDE is one implementation of the communication channel. This specific
implementation is not designed with hot swappable capabilities in mind.

Laptops use their own communication channel. As long as the channel is
capable of communicating ATA-compatible, the designer is free in designing
this channel. So, designers are free to implement neat tristate buffers,
real powerdown modes in their harddisks, etcetera. Usually, to prevent
problems, these communication channels present theirselves to the outer
world as generic IDE compliant.

Maybe a clear example is the Serial-ATA bus (www.serialata.com). This is a
serial communication channel for ATA communication. This channel has
nothing to do with IDE anymore, but is still completely ATA compliant.

The problem is that ATA and IDE were just made for each other, so they are
mixed up many times. In fact, the part that is often called the IDE
driver, is actually the ATA driver. The IDE driver is the code that sets
up your chipset for Ultra-DMA etcetera.

Jos




  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-03-28 11:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-03-25  9:32 IDE and hot-swap disk caddies John Summerfield
2002-03-25 15:56 ` Alan Cox
2002-03-25 19:34   ` Bill Davidsen
2002-03-25 19:55     ` Alan Cox
2002-03-25 20:26       ` Wakko Warner
2002-03-25 21:20         ` Andre Hedrick
2002-03-25 22:32           ` Wakko Warner
2002-03-26  0:11             ` Thunder from the hill
2002-03-26 18:52           ` Pavel Machek
2002-03-27 22:38             ` Alan Cox
2002-03-27 22:29               ` Pavel Machek
2002-03-27 22:47                 ` Pedro M. Rodrigues
2002-03-27 23:21                   ` Jos Hulzink
2002-03-28 11:37                   ` Jos Hulzink [this message]
2002-03-27 22:51                 ` Alan Cox
2002-03-28  0:01                   ` Itai Nahshon
2002-03-28  0:11                     ` Andre Hedrick
2002-03-27 23:53                 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-03-25 23:16   ` John Summerfield
2002-03-26  3:32     ` Mark Lord
2002-03-26  5:28     ` Jeremy Jackson
2002-03-26  8:21       ` DE " jw schultz
2002-03-26 19:01         ` Pavel Machek
2002-03-27 22:34           ` jw schultz
2002-03-27 23:17             ` Jos Hulzink
2002-03-27 23:57               ` Andre Hedrick
2002-03-28  0:17                 ` Erik Andersen
2002-03-28  0:23                   ` Andre Hedrick
2002-03-28  0:31                     ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-03-28  0:40                       ` Andre Hedrick
2002-03-28  2:02                         ` IDE " Jeremy Jackson
2002-03-28  9:33                           ` Alan Cox
2002-03-28  9:28                             ` Simon Richter
2002-03-28 16:25                             ` Jeremy Jackson
2002-03-28  9:33                       ` DE " Jos Hulzink
2002-03-28  0:37                   ` Alan Cox
2002-03-28  0:27                     ` Andre Hedrick
2002-03-28  4:24                       ` Chuck Campbell
2002-03-28  4:32                         ` Andre Hedrick
2002-03-28  8:00                     ` Martin Dalecki
2002-03-28  8:21                       ` Andre Hedrick
2002-03-28  9:01                         ` Martin Dalecki
2002-03-28  9:39                       ` Alan Cox
2002-03-28  9:50                         ` Offtopic: " Jos Hulzink
2002-03-28  9:53                           ` Martin Dalecki
2002-03-28 18:31                           ` Herman Oosthuysen
2002-03-28  9:29                   ` Jos Hulzink
2002-03-26 22:53       ` IDE " John Summerfield
2002-03-28 16:46         ` Bill Davidsen
2002-03-28 18:10           ` Mark Lord
2002-03-28 20:59             ` John Summerfield
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.33.0203252353380.25706-100000@coffee.psychology.mcmaster.ca>
2002-03-26 23:59 ` John Summerfield
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.33.0203271134090.28872-100000@coffee.psychology.mcmaster.ca>
2002-03-31 13:01 ` John Summerfield

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